Police TO&E......

[lombardoslegion]

Other than weapons,

on my duty belt I carry 2 sets of steel handcuffs, 2 sets of rubber gloves, a radio, and a flashlight. Some of my coworkers carry tourniquets.

in the squad car, I have a radio, flex cuffs, fire extinguisher, Kevlar helmet, first aid kit, flash light, gas mask, computer and ticket books.

We are required to wear our body armor at all times. I work for a suburban department outside of Chicago and this is a fairly typical load out for this area.

Weapon wise, we carry Glock 17s and at least 3 mags, pepper spray, a taser, and a baton. Back up guns are optional. We have Ar15s in the trunk and can request a shotgun from the armory when needed.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by lombardoslegion

Other than weapons,

on my duty belt I carry 2 sets of steel handcuffs, 2 sets of rubber gloves, a radio, and a flashlight. Some of my coworkers carry tourniquets.

in the squad car, I have a radio, flex cuffs, fire extinguisher, Kevlar helmet, first aid kit, flash light, gas mask, computer and ticket books.

We are required to wear our body armor at all times. I work for a suburban department outside of Chicago and this is a fairly typical load out for this area.

Weapon wise, we carry Glock 17s and at least 3 mags, pepper spray, a taser, and a baton. Back up guns are optional. We have Ar15s in the trunk and can request a shotgun from the armory when needed.

I had virtually the same loadout except we added; 1 ASP telescoping baton, 1 small can of Pepper Spray (generally worthless), 4 sets of flexi-cuffs (to secure doors during building searches while serving warrants & for group prisoner transports). We had door stops (used to "secure" doors during searches) and 4 pair of leg irons and manacles for prisoner transport in our vehicles (we used Ford LTD cruisers and Ford E150 Vans with cages for prisoner transports). We had access to 2 "shock belts," (a belt with a "stungun" located over the kidneys) for violent offenders and were just getting Tasers (worn crossdraw) when I left.

We also carried a couple of cans of Final Net hairspray in our vehicles. If you hosed down a perp with pepper mace; You would spray him down with Final Net and let it dry for a minute. This would prevent the mace from "vaporing" and irritating you in the cruiser. It also sealed the mace to the perp's body so you wouldn't have trouble hosing out the smell of the mace from the cruiser after you transported the perp.

[aspqrz]

Thanks, that meshes with a chunk of what I had sourced elsewhere! The differences would seem to be between more your urban areas and more rural ones (or Highway Patrol/State Police).

Phil

[CDAT]

Depending on the shift an unnamed federal agency would have up to eight officer on duty, and five command/admin staff that are commissioned, one non commissioned, may have up to three plain clothed investigator on site. Officer work three shifts, command staff only during days. Each officer carries a Sig P229 with three 13rd magazines, one ASP, two sets handcuff, and one can of OC. Investigators are issued the same as officers but most only carry pistol, and one spare magazine with small OC and one cuff. They also have in the armory issued as needed ten M4's, six Rem 870, two more 870 for beanbag (all 18 inch), 2 Colt 9mm SMG's, and one .30-06 with custom Tungsten AP ammo. In addition to the on duty staff they have a five man ERT team that can be called out by local command staff, each of them have the same as duty officer except that they have upped it to seven magazines, and one M4 with nine magazines. If needed they also have a district SRT team that they could ask to be sent to the area it is a twelve man team outfitted the same as the ERT with one 40mm gas, and two 12 gauge (14 inch 870). They are tasked with guarding a critical site, so do not patrol much except right around the building. They have one unmarked SUV, and if the SRT shows up they have three more. All officer have level 3A armor except for ERT/SRT who have level 4, and Kevlar helmets. As for extra ammo on site depends on how long ago was the order, normally order about 100,000 rds per year.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by CDAT

Depending on the shift an unnamed federal agency would have up to eight officer on duty, and five command/admin staff that are commissioned, one non commissioned, may have up to three plain clothed investigator on site. Officer work three shifts, command staff only during days. Each officer carries a Sig P229 with three 13rd magazines, one ASP, two sets handcuff, and one can of OC. Investigators are issued the same as officers but most only carry pistol, and one spare magazine with small OC and one cuff. They also have in the armory issued as needed ten M4's, six Rem 870, two more 870 for beanbag (all 18 inch), 2 Colt 9mm SMG's, and one .30-06 with custom Tungsten AP ammo. In addition to the on duty staff they have a five man ERT team that can be called out by local command staff, each of them have the same as duty officer except that they have upped it to seven magazines, and one M4 with nine magazines. If needed they also have a district SRT team that they could ask to be sent to the area it is a twelve man team outfitted the same as the ERT with one 40mm gas, and two 12 gauge (14 inch 870). They are tasked with guarding a critical site, so do not patrol much except right around the building. They have one unmarked SUV, and if the SRT shows up they have three more. All officer have level 3A armor except for ERT/SRT who have level 4, and Kevlar helmets. As for extra ammo on site depends on how long ago was the order, normally order about 100,000 rds per year.

Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too? We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too? We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....

The best use I found for pepper spray was having the ability to tell a citizen that
"Yes you can use a non-lethal weapon to stop your average armed intruder bent on taking everything you own, it is called Pepper spray, just walk up to him and tell him to hold still while you spray it into his eyes."
The looks I received varied.
As a street Officer I never used it and wanted very much to kick the butt of the three or four brother Officers that did while assisting me or visa versa. Also every booking person at the jail had not so very nice things to say to and about those that brought in perps coated with the damn stuff.
I have found it very nice for spraying the door handles of vehicles present at College keggers that got out of hand. It is so much fun to stop behind a kid a little while later and offer him the use of a canteen to clear his eyes and ask, ever so politely of course, were you at the mini riot young man?

[Rockwolf66]

I had a girlfriend who stopped carrying pepper spray after it failed on her. Some scumbag jumped the counter where she was working and she sprayed him. That didn't stop him. However the hardwood and brass cane she used to help her walk doubled as a very effective club. Especially since she was trained in medieval combat and was quite strong for her size.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too? We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....

Did you see the video of the Canadian store owners, a pair of would-be robbers and a bear sized can of OC? they hosed them down like they were on fire, and beat one like a drum. It was good to watch.....

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

Did you see the video of the Canadian store owners, a pair of would-be robbers and a bear sized can of OC? they hosed them down like they were on fire, and beat one like a drum. It was good to watch.....

Under Canadian Law OC or personel defence spray is illegal to owe. However Bear Spray is fine

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

Do you find Pepper spray to be nearly useless against a determined perp too? We had guys who used the stuff as Buffalo Wing seasoning....

My experience with Pepper spray is that how it affects people very from person to person. In the academy we had one guy who it was like water on him, a different one totally out of the fight. If it was up to me and I had to have a ranged less lethal I want a Tazer.

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by CDAT

My experience with Pepper spray is that how it affects people very from person to person. In the academy we had one guy who it was like water on him, a different one totally out of the fight. If it was up to me and I had to have a ranged less lethal I want a Tazer.

Never have I seen that not work when it hits. Being trained in its use is not laughs I do not think I will ever forget the effects.