China-russia war

[unkated]

Originally Posted by RN7

Yeah I know I copied straight of a word file with justify text. The Chinese War part is not yet finished or is the rest of the timeline which is vastly bigger. When it is (someday) I will be editing it all to make it more readable for all.

I keep copying your big blocks (back) into Word and then cut them into paragraphs to read.

A few comments on 1995:

(On the whole, I like this a lot, so I'll apologize if these seem picky)

I am not sure that these satellite launches are worth mentioning on the global war scale. I would imagine that there are probably multiple launches of various satellites for improved intelligence, communication, and navigation purposes, even if they are simply put in quiet reserve orbits to be used as needed.

Originally Posted by RN7

With the Soviet 1st Far Eastern Front less than 500 kilometres from Beijing the United States and NATO authorise emergency arms shipments to China . Prepositioned sealift ships from the US Material Sealift Command in Guam and Saipan are ordered to sail to Hong Kong and Shanghai under US Navy escort, while USAF transports begin regular supply runs to China from the United States, Japan and Europe.

I’m not sure how useful that would be. The weapons are all the wrong caliber to supply locally, creating a future supply and supply chain issue; all equipment would need training before use.

I think this makes more sense for 1996, when the Chinese are more desperate; here the Soviets are still 500 km away, and the Chinese believe they have the strength to fight back - they are planning a counter-offensive, after all.

That’s before discussing the kind of flak the US president would get for giving a lot of expensive stuff away that we might need VERY soon. 1995 is a year before an election; the primary candidates for the opposing party would make great hay from that.

Originally Posted by RN7

In the United States, paranoia about the war in China escalating to a global nuclear conflict leads to major anti-war demonstrations in Washington DC, while rioting is also reported in the US states of New Hampshire , New York and Pennsylvania.

Um, have you been to New Hampshire? There is no city large enough (nor enough people unhappy enough) to have a decent riot. Perhaps Maryland (Baltimore), or Massachusetts (Boston) would be large enough to get a crowd that would riot. Better might be somewhere split between right and left wings to get a disagreement to break out into a riot. Michigan (Detroit) or Ohio (Cleveland, Columbus or Toledo) might be better for that purpose.

Originally Posted by RN7

The US Navy also commissions the Nimitz-class nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis at Norfolk and deploys it to the US Seventh Fleet in the Pacific.

I think the Stennis and its battle group would have a months-long work up period first. But, it could free up an Atlantic-based (standing) carrier group to be sent to the Pacific, though.

Uncle Ted

[RN7]

Originally Posted by unkated

I keep copying your big blocks (back) into Word and then cut them into paragraphs to read.

A few comments on 1995:

(On the whole, I like this a lot, so I'll apologize if these seem picky)

No that's ok Unkated

Originally Posted by unkated

I am not sure that these satellite launches are worth mentioning on the global war scale. I would imagine that there are probably multiple launches of various satellites for improved intelligence, communication, and navigation purposes, even if they are simply put in quiet reserve orbits to be used as needed.

I just wanted to include a US-Soviet military space race as part of the timeline. In the wider timeline I have included an escalation of the US Star Wars initiative from 1991 and have US and Soviet military shuttle launches up to 1996, and some launching of space warfare systems and space stations. Some systems are actually relevant and I wanted to use them during the nuclear exchanges to destroy or deflect some missile targeting which would make more sense considering some of the targets actually missed. I'm still not sure if I will include it in my final draught but it adds to the variety. The DP-201 high-orbiting military reconnaissance launch was I believe part of the GDW T2K canon timeline, or a variation of it, so I included it.

Originally Posted by unkated

I’m not sure how useful that would be. The weapons are all the wrong caliber to supply locally, creating a future supply and supply chain issue; all equipment would need training before use.

I think this makes more sense for 1996, when the Chinese are more desperate; here the Soviets are still 500 km away, and the Chinese believe they have the strength to fight back - they are planning a counter-offensive, after all.

That’s before discussing the kind of flak the US president would get for giving a lot of expensive stuff away that we might need VERY soon. 1995 is a year before an election; the primary candidates for the opposing party would make great hay from that.

The timeline is not yet finished and to be honest I'm prioritising the war in Europe and the Middle East at the moment, with the odd look at and type up of the Far East. I am trying to include canon T2k in my timeline as much as I can but some of it really contradicts sense or what should be happening. But the US and NATO do arm the Chinese, its just when that I have to decide upon. However the Chinese use the same weapons as the Soviets with the same calibre of ammunition, artillery rounds and tank shells etc. These are not compatible with US and NATO ammunition, at least most of it. So to arm the Chinese you are going to have to send US/NATO weapons with easily supplied NATO ammunition, or retool arms factories in the US and Europe to produce Soviet calibre ammunition which does not make sense if you are also arming your own forces.

Originally Posted by unkated

Um, have you been to New Hampshire? There is no city large enough (nor enough people unhappy enough) to have a decent riot. Perhaps Maryland (Baltimore), or Massachusetts (Boston) would be large enough to get a crowd that would riot. Better might be somewhere split between right and left wings to get a disagreement to break out into a riot. Michigan (Detroit) or Ohio (Cleveland, Columbus or Toledo) might be better for that purpose.

I totally agree but again this comes from GDW T2K canon timeline, or a variation of it. So we are going to have to move away from T2K canon or just shoot the writer whoever he may be!

Originally Posted by unkated

I think the Stennis and its battle group would have a months-long work up period first. But, it could free up an Atlantic-based (standing) carrier group to be sent to the Pacific, though.

Yes I agree but I am including ship launching of US and Soviet carriers plus the Kirov's in the timeline as they are major military events, and are of strategic importance. And again its not yet finished. I'm not including other ships such as submarines or destroyers etc. I would include other countries carriers too if there were any launched in this period, but the only ones of note are the French deGaulle. Its a pity Britain, China, Japan, India and other didn't go on a carrier building spree in the 1990's instead of now.

[chico20854]

Webstral did a very nice writeup a couple of (many now?) years ago.
Check the archive forum here for topics like "Red Willow" and "Sino-Soviet War".

I didn't try to replicate it since he did such a nice job!

Enjoy!