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Old 05-24-2016, 07:11 PM
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Disruption and infighting between the factions was my intent. A real coup would be to offer the Division Cuba a couple of transports from Task Force 34, and keep their heavy stuff.
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Old 05-25-2016, 09:16 AM
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Well, we have talked it out and approach it a different way.

At this point in time 2000/2001, most people are having problems surviving, finding food, fuel, shelter and security. No matter what country your in or what nationality you declare.

In our campaign, we promote the idea among Mexican nationals, civilian or military, that the Mexican government has done nothing to support its population. It started a war with the US, sent its men and women out to die and then left them there. "When was the last time you saw resupply or even just communication from your government?"

The surviving leaders in Mexico City are just worrying about themselves, they dont care about their civilians or even their soldiers. After 3 years, the people know this.

While the 7th Army, who has cleared Texas and is now moving east and west from Fort Hood are helping Americans get back on their feet. Food, water, shelter, security concerns are all being addressed. "Just look at Texas!"

"We can help you as well, if you want us too. Denounce Mexican citizenship, accept US citizenship and the 7th Army will be able to legally assist you. Otherwise, we can let you continue down the path you are on and see if the Mexican government in Mexico City will help."

Remember, in our campaign we dont follow HW and dont believe in the massive vehicle/aircraft/shipping losses like typical canon supports. Statistically it isn't feasible in our minds. Survival in the US is more about leadership and organization then anything else, and the 7th Army - Operation Omega troops - are bringing that back county by county, state by state.

When Mexican troops, in Texas are faced with 50-60000 American soldiers landing in Galveston and are given the chance to join a winning side, they more often then not go for it.

People have lost the ties to nationality if its obvious the nation has "forsaken" them or at very least isn't helping. Bring the people food, water, security and loyalty will follow.

Since most governments are DOA, if another organization steps in to fill governments role, the population will follow.
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One thing we hadn't decided yet is if we support a pro American politician and let him take over. Later asking for admission to the USA...

Or

The state by state approach, securing the major population centers, organizing food/water production while we provide security. Using a 60-85% population reduction, the numbers don't seem so daunting.
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I don't follow much cannon. In my game, Mexico and her ally Guatemala are both Russian-backed "Narco-Puppet" states. She was nuked by THE US (to deny Russia Mexican oil) after the US took control of all remaining oil platforms in The Gulf. This, US backing of Anti-Cartel Rebels in Mexico and Guatemala, and US Repression of "drug mules" on the border is what started The US-Mexican War in my timeline.
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I don't follow much cannon. In my game, Mexico and her ally Guatemala are both Russian-backed "Narco-Puppet" states. She was nuked by THE US (to deny Russia Mexican oil) after the US took control of all remaining oil platforms in The Gulf. This, US backing of Anti-Cartel Rebels in Mexico and Guatemala, and US Repression of "drug mules" on the border is what started The US-Mexican War in my timeline.
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Nice Swag!

Do you have anything to share on the state of Guatamala and the other Central American counties perhaps?

One notion was that we would go along the coast south and secure ports as we went to support commerce and to help stage the "colonization" of those countries through a puppet regime or "the food and water program".

There is talk of a United States of the Americas.
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The things I don't see are:

The sudden massive burden of supporting the populations of eastern texas
The cost of the effort to rebuild the even enough infrastructure to supply the campaign
And these suddenly new American citizens - I'd like to see a counter-demand to bring their families from the chaos of Mexico.

Shepherding missions could be fun.

I notice that you don't include anything about the civil war in mexico - or are you not including it?

(IMHO, The Mex civil war would be a reason to have pulled the loyal troops uselessly in the US out to support the Federale gov't anyway)
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Nice Swag!

Do you have anything to share on the state of Guatamala and the other Central American counties perhaps?

One notion was that we would go along the coast south and secure ports as we went to support commerce and to help stage the "colonization" of those countries through a puppet regime or "the food and water program".

There is talk of a United States of the Americas.
The rise of the Mexican "Narco-puppet" state was implemented by Cartel del Golfo, run by Garcia Abrego (who was arrested in 1996 in reality) after he formed Los Zetas (a group of professional mercenaries with a great deal of experience). This is the same cartel that was caught IN THE REAL WORLD (ie OUR REALITY) by a joint US-Russian Taskforce trying to buy a FULLY ARMED RUSSIAN SUB to transport drugs from the Russian Mafia. They are also the ones who smuggled drugs into the US on INS buses after bribing the INS agents. They also had "a deal" with a Texas National Guard unit who would transport drugs from the border to Houston TX. This audacity had the Cartel transporting ALL of the Columbian, Bolivian, and Honduran Cartels' drugs. This allowed the Cartel del Golfo to net 10 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR through the 1990's (that's more than WALMART folks). They use this influence to "topple" the US-backed government and install their own regime. The US does everything they can to overthrow the puppet regime so Mexico begins to "invest" in weapons tech. Russia (who is "sanctioned by the UN") is looking for hard cash and the Russian Mafia hooked up the Russian Arms industry with the Cartels.
Mexico helped Pro-Cartel rebels in Guatemala win their country (with Russian military assistance) as well as "up-armor" the Cartels in Bolivia, Columbia, and Honduras with state-of-the-art weaponry. In exchange, the Russians got port access and much-needed hard currency.

The "Narco-Puppets" were up-armored with T-55m Tanks consisting of kontact-1 explosive armor, laser rangefinder, laser guided tank rounds and passive night vision (due to weight limits imposed by South American infrastructure), Helicopters, Jet Fighters, Towed Artillery, and TENS OF THOUSANDS OF RPG-7s (placed DIRECTLY into US based Cartel member's hands). These were being met in the US by M60A1 Tanks, older Hueys and commandeered Cadilac Gauge Stingrays. These were all the US had available after sending every first line fighter and M1 Abrams to other theaters as replacements. This is part of the reason for Mexican success in the southern US.
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