Stepping backward.. Lower tech.

[ArmySGT.]

Since the microchips and advanced circuitry to make ATGMs is out of the question in the near term..... T2K - T2K10....

For the defense? A return to towed AT guns by the West? The 105mm and 120mm tank armaments mounted to two or four wheeled chassis?

Even the 25, 30, 35, and 40mm belt fed chain guns...... light armor and support fire.

I know these all function in much superior manner mounted on a mobile armored chassis (IFV or MBT). However, given the constraints on manufacturing and resources, a 105mm AT gun towed be a deuce and a half would be a boon for a light infantry battalion.

[Draq]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Since the microchips and advanced circuitry to make ATGMs is out of the question in the near term..... T2K - T2K10....

For the defense? A return to towed AT guns be the West? The 105mm and 120mm tank armaments mounted to two or four wheeled chassis?

Even the 25, 30, 35, and 40mm belt fed chain guns...... light armor and support fire.

I know these all function in much superior manner mounted on a mobile armored chassis (IFV or MBT). However, given the constraints on manufacturing and resources, a 105mm AT gun towed be a deuce and a half would be a boon for a light infantry battalion.

Undoubtedly. I see this world war era tactic making a quick comeback in order to save the fancy tech stuff for emergencies.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

And don't forget the portee concept - a truck slightly modified to allow it to carry and use an artillery piece on its bed. This gives the advantage of leaving the gun in its original configuration so that it can be used in the conventional manner but also allowing it to be used from the truck that transports it allowing the gun a modest shoot & scoot ability. The gun on truck combination also has better mobility than a conventional truck with towed gun.

While it's been stated (notably on the wiki page for portee) that the modern terms for such a setup are "gun truck" or "technical", I disagree. The "en portee" concept doesn't have the gun mount permanently fixed to the truck bed as is typically the case gun trucks and technicals.
The concept has been resurrected a few times over the decades with the last one I know of being the M777 Portee from BAE Systems in 2005.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/m777_portee.htm

This image shows a New Zealand Army Austin K5 truck with an Ordnance QF 6-pounder AT gun in portee configuration as used in the North Africa campaigns of WW2. The website states, "These vehicles were adapted to serve as platforms for a 6pdr Anti Tank gun in the desert when battles were very fluid affairs moving over considerable distances and the guns were required to be put into action quickly."
Website link http://www.shoplandcollection.com/he...-k5-gun-portee



Note that in this case, the gun has simply been chained to the bed, some trucks were modified with wheel channels to make loading and unloading the gun easier such as in this picture

The K5 from the first image had a payload of up to 3 tons so the 6-pdr used less than half that capacity leaving enough spare for the crew and a decent ammo load. So even with the weight of a modern artillery piece, the more capable trucks of the 1970s onwards, should be able to handle the portee configuration with ease.

[Targan]

My father's father was a New Zealand Army infantry captain when he fought in the North Africa campaigns. He was commanding a unit of Bren Gun Carriers when they relieved Tobruk. He fought in Crete too. His war ended when he had half his moustache shot off.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

And don't forget the portee concept - a truck slightly modified to allow it to carry and use an artillery piece on its bed. This gives the advantage of leaving the gun in its original configuration so that it can be used in the conventional manner but also allowing it to be used from the truck that transports it allowing the gun a modest shoot & scoot ability. The gun on truck combination also has better mobility than a conventional truck with towed gun.

While it's been stated (notably on the wiki page for portee) that the modern terms for such a setup are "gun truck" or "technical", I disagree. The "en portee" concept doesn't have the gun mount permanently fixed to the truck bed as is typically the case gun trucks and technicals.
The concept has been resurrected a few times over the decades with the last one I know of being the M777 Portee from BAE Systems in 2005.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/m777_portee.htm

This image shows a New Zealand Army Austin K5 truck with an Ordnance QF 6-pounder AT gun in portee configuration as used in the North Africa campaigns of WW2. The website states, "These vehicles were adapted to serve as platforms for a 6pdr Anti Tank gun in the desert when battles were very fluid affairs moving over considerable distances and the guns were required to be put into action quickly."
Website link http://www.shoplandcollection.com/he...-k5-gun-portee



Note that in this case, the gun has simply been chained to the bed, some trucks were modified with wheel channels to make loading and unloading the gun easier such as in this picture

The K5 from the first image had a payload of up to 3 tons so the 6-pdr used less than half that capacity leaving enough spare for the crew and a decent ammo load. So even with the weight of a modern artillery piece, the more capable trucks of the 1970s onwards, should be able to handle the portee configuration with ease.

The one issue we have here is that outside of the 57mm Pack Howitzer (which is still being used for ceremonies), we don't have a howitzer or gun small enough to mount on the bed of a truck. We'd be relegated to Mortars, Recoilless Rifles, and Autocannon as truck guns.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

You have the M119 howitzer, a licence produced version of the British L119 Light Gun. At just under 2000kg it could be carried by trucks of 3-ton or more capacity.
To be fair though, there wouldn't be a lot of them, they entered service in 1989 with the 7th Infantry Division.

[WallShadow]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/060d4ea...some-help.html

Now, to get a six-shooter chambered for these...

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by WallShadow

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/060d4ea...some-help.html

Now, to get a six-shooter chambered for these...

Good info I remember someone asking what if there was any ammo left for the Iowa Class Big Guns. Now you know, and Knowing is Half the battle

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

You have the M119 howitzer, a licence produced version of the British L119 Light Gun. At just under 2000kg it could be carried by trucks of 3-ton or more capacity.
To be fair though, there wouldn't be a lot of them, they entered service in 1989 with the 7th Infantry Division.

Yes but only an HEMTT could carry it (in a ready-to-fire condition) because of the gun's 21+ft length. Carrying an M119 on a 5-ton would "weight" the truck's tailgate (because of barrel overhang) and cause the steering to feel
"light" (unresponsive). You couldn't fire it without destabilizing the 5-ton with the recoil either. You'd be better off shooting modified 105mm howitzer rounds out of a recoilless rifle. Before someone screams foul... Yes, 105mm cannon rounds CAN BE modified to fire in a Recoilless Rifle of the same caliber. There was a tail fin and propellant assembly developed to do just this. It was a "bolt on in the field" modification kit made by the same company that competed in the JADAM tail kit trials. I don't know if the Army ever adopted the kit, though.

[ArmySGT.]

Found this.... and I think this stays with the spirit of the thread.