OT Gibraltar

[simonmark6]

From my reading of things, the veto is a paper tiger. As a member of the EU it has a veto on all treaties and deals before they are ratified. This happened recently when a region of Belgium held up the ratification of a trade deal with Canada. This particular veto is nothing they didn't have. Effectively it's the EU strengthening its hand for the negotiations.

As for can Spain take Gibraltar, of course it could. Whether it could keep it is another matter. It's similar to Howard saying we would defend it like we defended the Falklands. I hope that doesn't mean we're going to let the Spanish walk in and then spend inordinate amounts of money and lives to take it back. If we spend lives to have to liberate Gibrateans on the scale we did to liberate a proportionate number of Falklanders we won't have much of an army left.

It's all moot though, Spain is not going to try and retake the Rock. They may be gits about things but they aren't stupid.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by simonmark6

As for can Spain take Gibraltar, of course it could. Whether it could keep it is another matter. It's similar to Howard saying we would defend it like we defended the Falklands. I hope that doesn't mean we're going to let the Spanish walk in and then spend inordinate amounts of money and lives to take it back. If we spend lives to have to liberate Gibrateans on the scale we did to liberate a proportionate number of Falklanders we won't have much of an army left.

It's all moot though, Spain is not going to try and retake the Rock. They may be gits about things but they aren't stupid.

The principle difference between the Falklands and Gibraltar would be that Britain doesn't need aircraft carriers to attack Spanish forces, as the whole Iberian Peninsula is within range of RAF strike aircraft in the UK.

[simonmark6]

Originally Posted by RN7

The principle difference between the Falklands and Gibraltar would be that Britain doesn't need aircraft carriers to attack Spanish forces, as the whole Iberian Peninsula is within range of RAF strike aircraft in the UK.

That's true. Plus we could encourage our Fifth Element in Spain to flood the health care system by faking cardiac arrests all at once.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by simonmark6

That's true. Plus we could encourage our Fifth Element in Spain to flood the health care system by faking cardiac arrests all at once.

And don't forget all the British and Irish gangsters living on the Costa del Sol!

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by RN7

The principle difference between the Falklands and Gibraltar would be that Britain doesn't need aircraft carriers to attack Spanish forces, as the whole Iberian Peninsula is within range of RAF strike aircraft in the UK.

As were the Falklands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

[Damocles]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

As were the Falklands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

A prime example of "amateurs talk tactics and professionals study logistics..."

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

As were the Falklands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck

No need for the old Vulcan's as the Tornado's can easily do the job now, as can the nuclear submarines with TLAM's!

[unkated]

Originally Posted by simonmark6

As for can Spain take Gibraltar, of course it could. Whether it could keep it is another matter. It's similar to Howard saying we would defend it like we defended the Falklands. I hope that doesn't mean we're going to let the Spanish walk in and then spend inordinate amounts of money and lives to take it back.

Would the US be required to aid both sides due to treaty obligations? We proved to be a faithless ally in for both sides in the Falklands

Hmmm. Could this rip NATO apart, and allow Russia the chance to seize Ukraine and the Balkans in the confusion! (to relate it to T2K)
Then it nukes NATO bases in Poland and Hungary!
A rump NATO scarmbles to counter without Britain, precipitating the Twilight War!
France rebuffs a British request to allow its troops in Germany passage through France!
China seizes its chance and attacks the Russian Far East!
North Korea seizes its chance and attacks South Korea! It hits US bases in Japan with conventional warheads on missiles to diminish US airpower!
Liberal Americans, fearing Trump will trigger a massive counterstrike inviting full nuclear retaliation from Russia and China, riot in Washington, lynching Trump and his staff in the process!

(T2K17!)

Makes almost as much sense to me as the V2.2 timeline

Uncle Ted

[James Langham2]

A few random thoughts:

* In 2002 the Royal Marines accidentally invaded Spain on an exercise when they landed on the wrong beach when attacking Gibraltar

*The rock apes are actually members of the British Army with regimental numbers...

* Shameless plug for my article about Gibraltar available on this site

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by James Langham2

A few random thoughts:

* In 2002 the Royal Marines accidentally invaded Spain on an exercise when they landed on the wrong beach when attacking Gibraltar

*The rock apes are actually members of the British Army with regimental numbers...

* Shameless plug for my article about Gibraltar available on this site

Lucky the Royal Marines didnt use explosives on their exercise - "whoops sorry Senor - thought your house was our training objective"

[Cdnwolf]

AND while the world looks to Europe, Middle East and South China sea, Russian has quietly built up it's forces in Nicaragua again. Another Latin American flare up to keep the US off balance even more.

[Marc]

Being Catalan, I tend to observe the Spanish dispute with Gibraltar and the UK with some distance (Ei!, two companies of Catalans participated in the assault to Gibraltar in 1704) . But I would say that very few people in Spain are worried about this supposed increase in the tension between Spain and the UK. I do not perceive any kind of concern, only a moderate interest and a certain feeling of disbelief. A kind of “…and now, why are they arguing about Gibraltar, again?” A question that is usually answered shrugging one’s shoulders. Although Gibraltar is a problem that arises from time to time, I think that every time that this happens is because the status of the British Colony is used by both governments following their own interests and mistakes. Quite sure you will find a small group of enthusiastic followers echoing the declarations of their respective governments. But, by the most part, people are not very interested. And both the UK and Spain have much more serious problem to face at the short term.

So, having said this, we are free to produce any T2K variation about the current situation. At least we could get something useful and funny of this last “crisis” (that, of course, will not be The Last).

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Marc

Being Catalan, I tend to observe the Spanish dispute with Gibraltar and the UK with some distance (Ei!, two companies of Catalans participated in the assault to Gibraltar in 1704) . But I would say that very few people in Spain are worried about this supposed increase in the tension between Spain and the UK. I do not perceive any kind of concern, only a moderate interest and a certain feeling of disbelief. A kind of “…and now, why are they arguing about Gibraltar, again?” A question that is usually answered shrugging one’s shoulders. Although Gibraltar is a problem that arises from time to time, I think that every time that this happens is because the status of the British Colony is used by both governments following their own interests and mistakes. Quite sure you will find a small group of enthusiastic followers echoing the declarations of their respective governments. But, by the most part, people are not very interested. And both the UK and Spain have much more serious problem to face at the short term.

So, having said this, we are free to produce any T2K variation about the current situation. At least we could get something useful and funny of this last “crisis” (that, of course, will not be The Last).

Is Spain making another land grab of homes and businesses built by foreign investors around Barcelona and Costa del Sol? like they did recently. 2005 or 2008?