How effective could a mostly legal project be.

[cosmicfish]

I don't see that holding up. We're talking tens of thousands of healthy people, all with a Morrow connection (you probably cannot hide that all were recruited and trained), all committing "suicide" so they can be frozen. That wont stand up to legal scrutiny, and it adds the complication of needing to hide that you can cure them without freezing them... because if you can't cure them going in, they're dead coming out!

[ArmySGT.]

In tragic news the "Empress Terra Nova" on a ten day cruise suffered engine failure in rough seas previously forecasted as light to moderate. Radio transmissions by the captain to port authorities in Bermuda and San Juan, Puerto Rico speak of a fifteen degree list and waves over the bows. The Empress Terra Nova was chartered by multinational conglomerate Morrow Industries as a corporate retreat and farewell tour for faithful employees. The fate is unknown at this time, but spokesmen for Morrow Industries state there is 753 of their own employees aboard.

Keep watching here for more breaking news on this developing situation!

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

I don't see that holding up. We're talking tens of thousands of healthy people, all with a Morrow connection (you probably cannot hide that all were recruited and trained), all committing "suicide" so they can be frozen. That wont stand up to legal scrutiny, and it adds the complication of needing to hide that you can cure them without freezing them... because if you can't cure them going in, they're dead coming out!

Not saying it looked like a suicide. Imagine getting a time released, subcutaneous implant that produced a number of symptoms that culminated in the persons apparent death from disease or aliment. This works really well if your doctor telling the friends and families about the persons condition is an undercover MP doctor. People die every day. Messing with some research study on the number of deaths from mesothelioma or other condition is not a concern. If the family gets a different doctor, the symptoms are reversed and is it a miraculous recovery. To celebrate, the MP candidate decides to book a cruise on the Empress Terra Nova for a nice vacation.

[ArmySGT.]

Morrow Industries also in the news today with Singapore, and island nation in south east asia, announcing a update and upgrade for police and paramilitary forces. A multi corporation cooperative deal, Cummins will provide the powerpack around one of their signature diesels. GM is providing the wheels, suspension components, and their adaptive central tire inflation system. The CTS gives the operator the ability to adjust tire pressure for less for soft sand and snow or for high pressure to operate on streets and highways. Radios and other electronics come from such suppliers as GE, BAE, IMI, Raytheon giving an integrated suite with communications operating on civil bands and into military channels up to Brigade level command and control. Bring this all together and matching with a hull provided by Cadillac Gage, the aforementioned Morrow Industries will complete the final installations, quality control, select destructive testing (shock, blast, and EMP for starters) prior to delivery. This is the third such time that Morrow Industries has been the overall product lead in this type of multi corporation collaboration. Spokesman for the State department and the Department of Defense have verified separately in statements their willingness to go ahead with this sale.

[Project_Sardonicus]

Making a few thousand people isn't such a big deal.

With the way the project works needing volunteers willing to abandon all their friends and families to be frozen underground. Describes a group of people with few connections to the world.

As it is anything from industrial accidents, the above mentioned sunken cruise ships would provide adequate cover.

[kato13]

One of the things that I expect a "legal" project to do is have its people claim they are simply going off grid. In and of itself that is not illegal. They could join a antitechnology compound in rural Idaho or become denizens of the Alaskan outback. If they provide someone with power of attorney to handle any legal matters that befall them that could throw the trail off for most small things.

This is where size gets restricted even further than the normal project. Distant relatives could start claiming that people are being held in a cult. Post Jonestown there could be all sorts of investigations that pop up.

There is also the potential for suspicion when a couple of thousand people don't start registering for social security yet are still though to be alive.

Red flags such as those above are why the canon project seems like it must commit fraud (falsifying deaths) in order to reach a substantial size.

[kato13]

I was thinking a little more about "Legal" project weapons.

Through the use of advanced tech would it be possible to simply be so far ahead of the law that nothing has been banned yet.

If the project uses Gauss weapons, lasers and particle beams could those be pre significant regulations?

[cosmicfish]

Originally Posted by kato13

I was thinking a little more about "Legal" project weapons.

Through the use of advanced tech would it be possible to simply be so far ahead of the law that nothing has been banned yet.

If the project uses Gauss weapons, lasers and particle beams could those be pre significant regulations?

It would depend a lot on the circumstances and timing. Any significant new weapon technology, publicly acknowledged, would only be legal for as long as it took for regulations and/or legislation to be drawn up. Railguns and coilguns are currently legal mostly because no one is making any practical weapons outside the military - if Smith and Wesson rolled out a handheld (or even vehicular) railgun, it would be illegal for private ownership within months at the outside.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by kato13

I was thinking a little more about "Legal" project weapons.

Through the use of advanced tech would it be possible to simply be so far ahead of the law that nothing has been banned yet.

If the project uses Gauss weapons, lasers and particle beams could those be pre significant regulations?

Cool. The Project has always been about high tech bleeding edge advancements. Procurement and funding by some dreamers, theoreticians, and imaginative planners (adds creativity to the game) that put away equipment don't always work best in the real world as we have seen in the modules. That is me looking at you, Lonestar.

Gyrojets pistols, carbines, and rifles. HAAM suits with tasers (air taser). Various riot gases like the vomit gas. The painful sound (long range acoustic device) generator to drive off hostiles. The goop cannons the stick rioters feet to the ground with fast drying foam. Thunder flash strips on vehicles that have a flash bang stun effect. Stingball riot grenades to painfully drive off rioters. Etc.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by kato13

I was thinking a little more about "Legal" project weapons.

Through the use of advanced tech would it be possible to simply be so far ahead of the law that nothing has been banned yet.

If the project uses Gauss weapons, lasers and particle beams could those be pre significant regulations?

annnnnnnd the E- factor for a 1 cm rail gun turret mounted on a V-150?

OMG!

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by kato13

I was thinking a little more about "Legal" project weapons.

Through the use of advanced tech would it be possible to simply be so far ahead of the law that nothing has been banned yet.

If the project uses Gauss weapons, lasers and particle beams could those be pre significant regulations?

Well, it is legal to own automatic weapons in the U.S., having Morrow Defends Technologies as a subsidiary of Morrow Industries, with the tasking of R&D into improving existing models and developing new technologies will certainly get DoD and DoJ approval for explosives, missiles, mortars, etc. So it's really not that difficult to get military-grade weapons for the Project.

You can even have Morrow Defence Technologies working with DARPA for the really cool stuff...