Korean Omega

[James Langham]

One point we need to consider - Omega was only possible by the discovery of the tanker of oil. Admittedly the Korean evacuation is smaller but do they have the required oil?

Considering Australia has troops in Korea but is fighting a war with Indonesia, would they offer Australian citizenship and land (not a hard offer to make) in return for X years service in the Australian Army?

[Olefin]

Thats why I am thinking a Korean Omega would be one that would be powered by oil from the Middle East

I.e. the 3rd Army (the RDF) arranges for enough oil to get the troops out of Korea and back home to the US but the price being that the Marines (at the very least) will be transported, with their tanks, to the Middle East to reinforce the RDF and give them what they need to finally beat the Soviets

That way they get their reinforcements and the rest go home

Or instead of a Korean Omega being to the US and partially the Middle East its actually the Middle East whole and entire - i.e. per what Chico was promulgating - and bring all 15,000 plus troops and their tanks to be able to give the RDF more than enough fire power to not only beat the Soviets but hold the area for as long as need be to get oil flowing back home again

then once that occurs sending back the whole RDF at a later date (3rd and 8th Army) - which would be more than enough to really take on Mexico, New America, or any remaining Soviet troops

[James Langham]

Are there any clues in 2300?

[The Dark]

Originally Posted by James Langham

Are there any clues in 2300?

Not in the core rules. Korea's not mentioned at all (it's not even labeled on the map of Asia).

[Olefin]

FYI one idea on doing an evac would take a while but could be done with Australian help

Ever heard of the sail passenger ship Wind Song - she was a sail powered passenger ship that could carry 112 passengers that was involved in Pacific cruises - obviously they would jam a lot more into her - it is one way to evac several hundred at a time out of Korea - but thats a mighty slow evac process with 15,000 troops to get home

There is another possible way to get them to Australia - Four coal-fired, steam-powered ships were used to transport bauxite from Weipa in far north Queensland to QAL on Gladstone Harbour - all built in the 1980's and retired the last of them in 2012 - the River Boyne

Could those ships be used to evac troops from Korea? Not sure what their range would be and if they could actually reach Korea, possibly coal up there and then be able to get back to Australia.

[The Dark]

Originally Posted by Olefin

FYI one idea on doing an evac would take a while but could be done with Australian help

Ever heard of the sail passenger ship Wind Song - she was a sail powered passenger ship that could carry 112 passengers that was involved in Pacific cruises - obviously they would jam a lot more into her - it is one way to evac several hundred at a time out of Korea - but thats a mighty slow evac process with 15,000 troops to get home

There is another possible way to get them to Australia - Four coal-fired, steam-powered ships were used to transport bauxite from Weipa in far north Queensland to QAL on Gladstone Harbour - all built in the 1980's and retired the last of them in 2012 - the River Boyne

Could those ships be used to evac troops from Korea? Not sure what their range would be and if they could actually reach Korea, possibly coal up there and then be able to get back to Australia.

This is probably more cinematic than practical, but one dramatic way of doing it would be to use the various large tall ships that are active - USCGC Eagle, Elissa (a barquentine built in 1877), Gazela (a 1901 fishing bark that hauled dories to the Grand Banks), Niagara (the rebuilt USS Niagara of 1813), Avany (now Peacemaker, a 400 ton bark), Star of India (ex-Euterpe, an iron-hulled windjammer), and Rose (now Surprise, the replica frigate used in the Master & Commander film). The Charles W. Morgan (an 1841 whaler) may also be available.

The Constellation is unavailable (it was condemned as unseaworthy in 1994 and wasn't sailed again until 2004 in our timeline, and the Twilight War would likely make her less of a priority), and the Constitution is probably unavailable (she was dry-docked from 1992 to 1995 and not ready to sail until 1997).

[Targan]

Australia has oil reserves. In the 1990s an infinitesimal fraction as developed as the major world oil players, but there nonetheless. Fuel oil for ships doesn't need sophisticated refining. One possibility for moving troops around might be some P&O cruise ships based in Australian ports. Unwilling or unable to get the vessels back to the UK or the US, the company couldn't do much to prevent the vessels being commandeered by the Australian government once the global naval war was in full swing. One or two may have survived to 2000. They might not have been worked particularly hard by then either.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by James Langham

Are there any clues in 2300?

From 2300AD Earth-Cybertech Sourcebook

Korea

Although the world economic collapse caused by the Twilight War brought chaos to both North and South Korea, South Korea, with the impressive industrialization it had achieved by the war's beginning, was able to recover much more quickly than its northern neighbor. Given South Korea's economic health in the first half of the 21st century, communist North Korea accepted annexation by the democratic South almost without quarrel. Through the rest of that century, the unified nation worked to spread its southern industrial power through the North. During this period, Japan invested heavily in Korea's development, working to economically dominate the nation's growing industry. But Manchuria, seeking to avoid the establishment of a Japanese stronghold on the continent, expelled the Japanese and pressured Korea into nationalizing the facilities that Japan had built. Through the 22nd and 23rd centuries, Korea worked closely with Manchuria, ever in the larger nation's shadow. In 2300, Korea is a very modern industrial nation, but it is definitely dominated politically by Manchuria. Korean citizens compare favorably with Texans in terms of quality of life, and they do not seem to view Manchuria's domination as onerous, preferring it to domination by Japan.

None really!

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by James Langham

One point we need to consider - Omega was only possible by the discovery of the tanker of oil. Admittedly the Korean evacuation is smaller but do they have the required oil?

Good point, James. As Olefin has pointed out, there's lots of oil in the Middle East but getting it from there to Korea is a lot easier said than done. If it was easy, then the European Omega wouldn't have had to really on dumb luck for its fuel.

I'm thinking that I probably won't go the OMEGA route with the U.S. forces in Korea. I want to differentiate between the campaign settings at least a bit. A Korean OMEGA is a bit too derivative. I think I'll include a mission option that hints at a possible partial evac, but leaves the details (i.e. the numbers of troops leaving and their planned destination/s) up to the GM.

Originally Posted by James Langham

Considering Australia has troops in Korea but is fighting a war with Indonesia, would they offer Australian citizenship and land (not a hard offer to make) in return for X years service in the Australian Army?

James, who are "they"? The Koreans or Indonesians? I can't parse this wording.

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by Raellus

Good point, James. As Olefin has pointed out, there's lots of oil in the Middle East but getting it from there to Korea is a lot easier said than done. If it was easy, then the European Omega wouldn't have had to really on dumb luck for its fuel.

I'm thinking that I probably won't go the OMEGA route with the U.S. forces in Korea. I want to differentiate between the campaign settings at least a bit. A Korean OMEGA is a bit too derivative. I think I'll include a mission option that hints at a possible partial evac, but leaves the details (i.e. the numbers of troops leaving and their planned destination/s) up to the GM.



James, who are "they"? The Koreans or Indonesians? I can't parse this wording.

Sorry, the Australians,.