Updating Loadouts

[Desert Mariner]

Originally Posted by nuke11

What I have found in the past with most of the weight problems from 1st thru 4th edition is the source of the information.

I've noticed that before. However, the spreadsheet is using the weight data from the individual items in the 4E and the calculations still don't match the loadout totals shown in TM 1-1. So, either I've erred in a formula (which I haven't yet found) or the authors made some math errors.

[nuke11]

Originally Posted by Desert Mariner

I've noticed that before. However, the spreadsheet is using the weight data from the individual items in the 4E and the calculations still don't match the loadout totals shown in TM 1-1. So, either I've erred in a formula (which I haven't yet found) or the authors made some math errors.

I'm guessing the load outs where carried over from the 3rd edition. Any new ones where most likely created for 4th edition with newer information available.

[nuke11]

Here are my numbers for Load #4

LOAD #4 4th Edition target : 18.82kg

1 M10 w/12 mags = 2.83 kg + 13x0.62 kg : 10.89 kg
1 HP-35 w/3 mags = 0.88 kg + 3x0.2 kg : 1.48 kg
4 M67 Grenades = 4x0.39 kg : 1.56 kg
2 M6 CN-DM Grenades = 2x0.48 kg : 0.96 kg
2 M9A1 BZ Grenades = 2x0.45 kg : 0.90 kg
2 M34 WP Grenades = 2x0.76 kg : 1.52 kg
3 HAFLA-35Ls = 3x0.63 kg : 1.89 kg

Weapons Total : 19.20 kg

Project pistol suppressor : 0.24 kg
Project M10 suppressor : 0.34 kg

Total : 19.78 kg

Over by 0.96 kg

If you want to update to the M6A1 CN-DM (M6A1 2x0.57 kg) : 1.14 kg

[Desert Mariner]

Originally Posted by nuke11

Here are my numbers for Load #4

LOAD #4 4th Edition target : 18.82kg

1 M10 w/12 mags = 2.83 kg + 13x0.62 kg : 10.89 kg

I notice your weight for the M10 is 2.83kg while TM 1-1 lists 2.84kg which equates to exactly the error margin (0.01kg) I'm getting for this specific loadout. I'm curious where the 2.83 figure originates, every source I've found thus far lists 2.84. (I discounted the 13th magazine)

I know it's only a hundredth but if I can't get the numbers to come out correctly using given data (TM 1-1 loadouts) then I can't have much confidence in new figures I generate.

Any updates for USGI munitions and ordinance, such as the M6A1, would be appreciated. Most of my Army TM Data Sheets are from the mid-80s and 90s which will work for the first 2 updates but not the last

[nuke11]

Originally Posted by Desert Mariner

I notice your weight for the M10 is 2.83kg while TM 1-1 lists 2.84kg which equates to exactly the error margin (0.01kg) I'm getting for this specific loadout. I'm curious where the 2.83 figure originates, every source I've found thus far lists 2.84. (I discounted the 13th magazine)

I know it's only a hundredth but if I can't get the numbers to come out correctly using given data (TM 1-1 loadouts) then I can't have much confidence in new figures I generate.

Any updates for USGI munitions and ordinance, such as the M6A1, would be appreciated. Most of my Army TM Data Sheets are from the mid-80s and 90s which will work for the first 2 updates but not the last

0.01 Kg is well within acceptable error limits.

For 2.83 Kg for the M10 9mm I'm using Kevin Dockery's Special Warfare Special Weapons book. Now if you look at his The Armory Vol 1 he has it listed as 2.84 Kg, which this book was done around the same time as TMP was being published. I will be digging into my library of 1970's Jane's books, but I need to get them out of storage.

I believe that the M9A1 BZ grenade might be light for weight. But that is a very hard grenade to find information on. I'm basing my assumption on just looking at the M6/A1, M7/A1/A2/A3 and the M8 smoke grenades. They are all a bit heavier in the A1 configuration than there initial versions. Looking around the closest that I could find has a Yugosolvian BRS M79 AG-2 grenade which in the 2 reports I found, is 0.45 Kg, so maybe the M9A1 could be right.

[Desert Mariner]

I had checked the Armory but not sure what happened to my copy of Special Weapons. I'm at a point where I think my formulas are good and that the totals in 4e TM 1-1 are off.
So, I'll proceed with adding some newer weaponry for the late cache upgrades.
My thought on canned basic loadouts is to ignore them in favor of choosing weapons in the categories in the spreadsheet and building an individual loadout. This even allows for a SASS type load for a contact package if the PC so desires.
If there's any interest, I can post an updated spreadsheet with my additions.

[nuke11]

Originally Posted by Desert Mariner

I had checked the Armory but not sure what happened to my copy of Special Weapons. I'm at a point where I think my formulas are good and that the totals in 4e TM 1-1 are off.
So, I'll proceed with adding some newer weaponry for the late cache upgrades.
My thought on canned basic loadouts is to ignore them in favor of choosing weapons in the categories in the spreadsheet and building an individual loadout. This even allows for a SASS type load for a contact package if the PC so desires.
If there's any interest, I can post an updated spreadsheet with my additions.

Sure always post new information.

I always used the included load-outs as suggestions We modified them to suite what was needed and was cool in the day.

Some of the weights are way off, not really sure where they got them from.