Aircraft In 2000

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Raellus

You're right- there's a lot of politics and money in equipment adoption. I reckon that in WW3, with aircraft attrition rates high and manufacturing of the most up-to-date models lagging behind, that any viable stopgap measures would be taken. At that point, the gov't would be throwing money at any company with the capability of putting more wings in the air. The A-7 airframes already exist so it seems like a very sensible shortcut.

I agree, I think with the harsh realities of war, there won't be much room for building political careers within the military higher ranks. The cronyism and favouritism would probably die off pretty quick (by that I mean things such as big military equipment manufacturers offering jobs upon retirement from the military, to senior officers who just happened to be on the purchasing committee).

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

The cronyism and favouritism would probably die off pretty quick...

Unfortunately you only have to look at WWII to see how unlikely that would be.

[rcaf_777]

I little background

Storage procedures

There are four categories of storage for aircraft at AMARG:

Long Term (Type 1000) – Aircraft are kept intact for future use

Parts Reclamation (Type 2000) – Aircraft are kept, picked apart and used for spare parts

Flying Hold (Type 3000) – Aircraft are kept intact for shorter stays than Long Term

Excess of DoD needs (Type 4000) – Aircraft are sold off whole or in parts

On average, AMARG annually returns approximately $500 million worth of spare parts to military, government and allied customers.

An aircraft going into storage undergoes the following treatments:

Ejection seat charges and classified hardware are removed.

All aircraft are carefully washed with fresh water to remove environment residue and then allowed to dry.

The fuel system is protected by draining it, refilling it with lightweight oil, running engines to coat fuel system plumbing and engines, and then draining it again. This leaves a protective oil film.

The aircraft is sealed from dust, sunlight, and high temperatures. This is done using a variety of materials, including a high tech vinyl plastic compound that is sprayed on the aircraft. This compound is called Spraylat after its producer the Spraylat Corporation, and is applied in two coats, a black coat that seals the aircraft and a white coat that reflects the sun and helps to keep internal temperatures low.

The plane is then towed by a tug to its designated "storage" position.

On average the Group annually receives 300 aircraft for storage and processes out about the same number (with 50 to 100 of those returning to flying service). Aircraft that fly again either return to the U.S. Military services, U.S. government agencies (such as the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Forest Service, and NASA) or are sold to allied governments under the Foreign Military Sales program.

Mid 90’s Inventory

Aircraft

18 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk
1 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Photo Recon)
67 Grumman A-6 Intruder
117 LTV A-7 Corsair II
177 Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II
1 Lockheed AC-130
11 AT-38B Talon
7 McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II
98 Boeing B-52 Stratofortress (Cut to pieces)*As per START Treaty*
1 Martin B-57E Canberra
18 Grumman C-1 Trader
6 Grumman C-2 Greyhound
2 Fairchild C-123 Provider
15 Lockheed C-130 Hercules
12 Convair C-131 Samaritan
51 Boeing C-137 Stratoliner
21 T-39 Sabreliner
1 Lockheed DC-130
1 DF-4J Director Aircraft (F-4 Variant)
21 E-2 Hawkeye
5 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Tanker Variant)
1 Lockheed EP-3
1 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Electronic Aggressor Variant)
176 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II
45 Grumman F-14 Tomcat
96 McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle
177 General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon
1 North American F-100 Super Sabre (NASA Test Platform)
1 McDonnell F-101 Voodoo
1 Republic F-105 Thunderchief
2 Convair F-106 Delta Dart
119 General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark
15 General Dynamics FB-111A Aardvark (Strategic Bomber Variant)
1 McDonnell Douglas FA-18A Hornet
2 Dassault HU-25 Guardian
14 Grumman A-6 Intruder (Tanker Variant)
53 Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker
2 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior(Testing Platform)
1 NC-130B (C-130 Test Platform)
2 NF-4E (F-4 Phantom II Test Platform)
5 Boeing NKC-135A Airborne Laser Lab
1 McDonnell NRF-4C Phantom II
1 T-39 Sabreliner (Testing Platform)
25 Cessna O-2 Skymaster
12 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (Forward Aircraft Controller Variant)
10 North American Rockwell OV-10 Bronco
75 Lockheed P-3 Orion
3 Lockheed P-3 Orion (MAD Variant)
176 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II (Tactical Recon Variant)
17 Lockheed S-3 Viking
3 Lockheed P-2 Neptune
1 Raytheon T-1 Jayhawk
61 North American T-2 Buckeye
61 Lockheed T-33
3 Beechcraft T-34 Mentor
47 Cessna T-37 Tweet
95 Northrop T-38 Talon
23 T-39 Sabreliner
1 Fairchild T-46
3 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Bomber Trainer)
132 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk(Trainer)
8 LTV A-7 Corsair II (Two Seat Trainer)
5 McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II (Two Seat Trainer)
5 Gulfstream TC-4C Academe
2 General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon (Two Seat Trainer)
1 Douglas UA-3B Skywarrior (Photo Recon Variant)
19 Fairchild C-123 Provider(Crop Duster Variant)
7 Lockheed UP-3A Transport
1 Grumman US-2B Target Tug
5 Martin RB-57D Canberra
1 Lockheed WC-130 Weather Recon
1 Boeing WC-135B Weather Recon
1 Boeing YC-14
1 McDonnell Douglas YC-15

Total: 2,170

Missiles

19 BGM-109G Ground Launched Cruise Missile(Deactivated) *keep in this condition as per INF Treaty*
31 LGM-25C Titan II (Deactivated)

Total: 50

Drones

5 Lockheed D-21 Drone

Total: 5

Helicopters

28 Bell AH-1 Cobra
8 Bell UH-1 Iroquois
8 Bell HH-1K
3 Bell TH-57A Sea Ranger
86 Kaman SH-2 Seasprite
1 Sikorsky UH-3 Sea King (Cargo)
13 Sikorsky HH-3E Jolly Green Giant
3 Sikorsky CH-3 Long Range Transport
41 Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion
1 Sikorsky VH-34C Transport

Total: 192

Grand Total: 2,417

Web Sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_...age_procedures

http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/in...red&Itemid=101

[Hybris]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

I little background

Storage procedures

There are four categories of storage for aircraft at AMARG:

Long Term (Type 1000) – Aircraft are kept intact for future use

Parts Reclamation (Type 2000) – Aircraft are kept, picked apart and used for spare parts

Flying Hold (Type 3000) – Aircraft are kept intact for shorter stays than Long Term

Excess of DoD needs (Type 4000) – Aircraft are sold off whole or in parts

On average, AMARG annually returns approximately $500 million worth of spare parts to military, government and allied customers.

An aircraft going into storage undergoes the following treatments:

Ejection seat charges and classified hardware are removed.

All aircraft are carefully washed with fresh water to remove environment residue and then allowed to dry.

The fuel system is protected by draining it, refilling it with lightweight oil, running engines to coat fuel system plumbing and engines, and then draining it again. This leaves a protective oil film.

The aircraft is sealed from dust, sunlight, and high temperatures. This is done using a variety of materials, including a high tech vinyl plastic compound that is sprayed on the aircraft. This compound is called Spraylat after its producer the Spraylat Corporation, and is applied in two coats, a black coat that seals the aircraft and a white coat that reflects the sun and helps to keep internal temperatures low.

The plane is then towed by a tug to its designated "storage" position.

On average the Group annually receives 300 aircraft for storage and processes out about the same number (with 50 to 100 of those returning to flying service). Aircraft that fly again either return to the U.S. Military services, U.S. government agencies (such as the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Forest Service, and NASA) or are sold to allied governments under the Foreign Military Sales program.

Mid 90’s Inventory

Aircraft

18 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk
1 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Photo Recon)
67 Grumman A-6 Intruder
117 LTV A-7 Corsair II
177 Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II
1 Lockheed AC-130
11 AT-38B Talon
7 McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II
98 Boeing B-52 Stratofortress (Cut to pieces)*As per START Treaty*
1 Martin B-57E Canberra
18 Grumman C-1 Trader
6 Grumman C-2 Greyhound
2 Fairchild C-123 Provider
15 Lockheed C-130 Hercules
12 Convair C-131 Samaritan
51 Boeing C-137 Stratoliner
21 T-39 Sabreliner
1 Lockheed DC-130
1 DF-4J Director Aircraft (F-4 Variant)
21 E-2 Hawkeye
5 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Tanker Variant)
1 Lockheed EP-3
1 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Electronic Aggressor Variant)
176 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II
45 Grumman F-14 Tomcat
96 McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle
177 General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon
1 North American F-100 Super Sabre (NASA Test Platform)
1 McDonnell F-101 Voodoo
1 Republic F-105 Thunderchief
2 Convair F-106 Delta Dart
119 General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark
15 General Dynamics FB-111A Aardvark (Strategic Bomber Variant)
1 McDonnell Douglas FA-18A Hornet
2 Dassault HU-25 Guardian
14 Grumman A-6 Intruder (Tanker Variant)
53 Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker
2 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior(Testing Platform)
1 NC-130B (C-130 Test Platform)
2 NF-4E (F-4 Phantom II Test Platform)
5 Boeing NKC-135A Airborne Laser Lab
1 McDonnell NRF-4C Phantom II
1 T-39 Sabreliner (Testing Platform)
25 Cessna O-2 Skymaster
12 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk (Forward Aircraft Controller Variant)
10 North American Rockwell OV-10 Bronco
75 Lockheed P-3 Orion
3 Lockheed P-3 Orion (MAD Variant)
176 McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II (Tactical Recon Variant)
17 Lockheed S-3 Viking
3 Lockheed P-2 Neptune
1 Raytheon T-1 Jayhawk
61 North American T-2 Buckeye
61 Lockheed T-33
3 Beechcraft T-34 Mentor
47 Cessna T-37 Tweet
95 Northrop T-38 Talon
23 T-39 Sabreliner
1 Fairchild T-46
3 Douglas A-3 Skywarrior (Bomber Trainer)
132 Douglas A-4 Skyhawk(Trainer)
8 LTV A-7 Corsair II (Two Seat Trainer)
5 McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II (Two Seat Trainer)
5 Gulfstream TC-4C Academe
2 General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon (Two Seat Trainer)
1 Douglas UA-3B Skywarrior (Photo Recon Variant)
19 Fairchild C-123 Provider(Crop Duster Variant)
7 Lockheed UP-3A Transport
1 Grumman US-2B Target Tug
5 Martin RB-57D Canberra
1 Lockheed WC-130 Weather Recon
1 Boeing WC-135B Weather Recon
1 Boeing YC-14
1 McDonnell Douglas YC-15

Total: 2,170

Missiles

19 BGM-109G Ground Launched Cruise Missile(Deactivated) *keep in this condition as per INF Treaty*
31 LGM-25C Titan II (Deactivated)

Total: 50

Drones

5 Lockheed D-21 Drone

Total: 5

Helicopters

28 Bell AH-1 Cobra
8 Bell UH-1 Iroquois
8 Bell HH-1K
3 Bell TH-57A Sea Ranger
86 Kaman SH-2 Seasprite
1 Sikorsky UH-3 Sea King (Cargo)
13 Sikorsky HH-3E Jolly Green Giant
3 Sikorsky CH-3 Long Range Transport
41 Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion
1 Sikorsky VH-34C Transport

Total: 192

Grand Total: 2,417

Web Sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_...age_procedures

http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/in...red&Itemid=101

How old is this great list?
Is it from October 2005?

I printed out the whole inventory around 1999-2000 but i cant found them atm.In i know i took out some AC 130s from that list and used in UK.

edit: Is the whole inventory online again?

All planes (AC-130s) appears so "freshly" arrived.

http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/in...205&Itemid=274

[mpipes]

That definitely is NOT an accurate list for the late 90s. BUFFs were intact till 2000 if I recall correctly. There were also numbers of B-52D/E/Fs still in storage in the late '90s as well as LOTS of F-4D/E/J/Ss.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by mpipes

That definitely is NOT an accurate list for the late 90s. BUFFs were intact till 2000 if I recall correctly. There were also numbers of B-52D/E/Fs still in storage in the late '90s as well as LOTS of F-4D/E/J/Ss.

If you go to second link

http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/in...red&Itemid=101

You find the inventory docs, which will list the arrival dates for each aircraft, since many asked what would be the inventory in TW, you have to remove any aircraft that arrive prior to the Mid 90's as they would in service of some sort. Please read the whole post

Remember what the purpose of this Bone Yard is. I don see a lot aircraft left in there come 2000, and those are left would must be hulks striped of useful parts. Any force arriving there would hardly have the means to get any amount of aircraft back to airworthiness even with the local maintenance shops and there is still the issue of fuel.