Announcement from Free League Publishing

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I really am caught on the horns of a dilemma here.
Having checked out some of the other Year Zero games, I really do not care for the rules system (I thoroughly dislike the use of gimmick dice for example) and I don't see it being suitable for the depth of gaming that I want for a post-apocalypse setting such as T2k.
However I do want to see the material they create because it's a fresh take on the world setting and it can always be converted over to a system I would prefer to use.

So I'm quite torn - support the kickstarter for a rules set I don't like and would never use or give the whole thing a miss and pass on some potentially new and great material?

And for the life of me (for reasons I cannot explain) I do actually like that metal box and want it!

[Targan]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

I really am caught on the horns of a dilemma here.
Having checked out some of the other Year Zero games, I really do not care for the rules system (I thoroughly dislike the use of gimmick dice for example) and I don't see it being suitable for the depth of gaming that I want for a post-apocalypse setting such as T2k.
However I do want to see the material they create because it's a fresh take on the world setting and it can always be converted over to a system I would prefer to use.

So I'm quite torn - support the kickstarter for a rules set I don't like and would never use or give the whole thing a miss and pass on some potentially new and great material?

And for the life of me (for reasons I cannot explain) I do actually like that metal box and want it!

I feel similarly to you, but I'm falling on the side of not going to support the kickstarter. I am interested in their take on the setting, but I'd rather pull out my fingernails with pliers than use that rules system.

[Olefin]

the more I think about that rules system and other things I have been hearing the more I am wondering just how many other changes have been made for V4 that may make it almost unrecognizeable from V1 and V2.2.

Also if this is going to be just a one shot release or an actual supported game with follow on releases that are official and not just depending on the fans to support the game

[comped]

Originally Posted by Olefin

the more I think about that rules system and other things I have been hearing the more I am wondering just how many other changes have been made for V4 that may make it almost unrecognizeable from V1 and V2.2.

Also if this is going to be just a one shot release or an actual supported game with follow on releases that are official and not just depending on the fans to support the game

Even from what is publicly available from previous settings, never mind what info they have on the kickstarter, points to the rules - at the very least - as being completely different, and far lighter, than anything we've officially seen before.

And, at least in terms of post-release support, their other games seem to have a few adventures for them, not really any traditional sourcebooks. So this might be, depending on the sales, only community supported - and officially on their marketplace, at least, depending on how long FFE lets the license last.

[Olefin]

and will be quite interesting how community content is seen by Tomas and the community as a whole - if there are few or no other canon releases after the initial set who will be the one that says what is canon and what isnt? there have been a lot of arguments on here and other boards about that over the years

or will V4 be something that is more free form and after the initial release the canon is what you make of it as to the community releases - so for instance to apply it to current releases the 173rd could be in Kenya or Europe or Central America or never even been formed for V4 - it would all depend on what version of the community content you choose to use

[comped]

Originally Posted by Olefin

and will be quite interesting how community content is seen by Tomas and the community as a whole - if there are few or no other canon releases after the initial set who will be the one that says what is canon and what isnt? there have been a lot of arguments on here and other boards about that over the years

or will V4 be something that is more free form and after the initial release the canon is what you make of it as to the community releases - so for instance to apply it to current releases the 173rd could be in Kenya or Europe or Central America or never even been formed for V4 - it would all depend on what version of the community content you choose to use

From what I see with their other products, outside of a few adventures, they're rather lightly supported, and from info I've got off the discord, things not published directly by FL won't be considered canon. So the community published bits won't be. Meaning that, unless things change, we're going to have a lot of different people using the same things, none of it canon.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by comped

From what I see with their other products, outside of a few adventures, they're rather lightly supported, and from info I've got off the discord, things not published directly by FL won't be considered canon. So the community published bits won't be. Meaning that, unless things change, we're going to have a lot of different people using the same things, none of it canon.

well that has the potential to open up Pandora's Box with a grenade considering the potential discord that has been seen before

and I actually have confirmation on the community published bits not being canon from Tomas

you would figure the kickstarter would wake them up to that fact that the fan base is looking for new official releases - and that we are willing to support that big time - I just hope Marc didnt give the rights to the wrong company

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by comped

Meaning that, unless things change, we're going to have a lot of different people using the same things, none of it canon.

The positive in that is the potential for a lot of different people to be playing T2K. That's a good thing. I don't really think most gamers will have any interest in getting too bogged down in the minutiae of what is or is not official canon. If they like something they'll use it, if they don't they'll ignore it (that happens anyway, even with canon - I ignore the Survivor's Guide to the UK, I've seen others say they ignore Howling Wilderness).