Rations

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

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I remember being on excrise in the US and talking soilders where amzaed that we still using the Mobile Kitchen Trailer (MKT) and the hot food that came out of it.

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When was this? We still had MKT's when I got out in 2012, they may not have been used much but were still in the inventory, and our cooks still trained to use them (as much as anything else they did).

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by CDAT

When was this? We still had MKT's when I got out in 2012, they may not have been used much but were still in the inventory, and our cooks still trained to use them (as much as anything else they did).

1995

Give this a read

https://www.nap.edu/read/5002/chapter/7

The US army was feeding a lot of troops using MRE and Tray rations during the first Gulf war and there were found in the Brigade Service Area behind the front line. There are only four MKT per mechanized infantry brigade.

In the game setting, you see makeshift kitchens with whatever army or civilians cooking. You will also see bakeries and maybe a few small kitchens specialized in certain tasks, IE meat cooking, smoking, etc.

You might still have MRE but like other foods stock, they would most likely armed guards with orders to shoot looters.

it would interesting to see how units address the large logestics of feed. You need plates, mugs, glasses, knife forks spoons, pots and pans ect

While the US army has some of thses where are you going spare or spare parts for cooking systems.

Food for Thought lol

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

1995

Give this a read

https://www.nap.edu/read/5002/chapter/7

The US army was feeding a lot of troops using MRE and Tray rations during the first Gulf war and there were found in the Brigade Service Area behind the front line. There are only four MKT per mechanized infantry brigade.

In the game setting, you see makeshift kitchens with whatever army or civilians cooking. You will also see bakeries and maybe a few small kitchens specialized in certain tasks, IE meat cooking, smoking, etc.

You might still have MRE but like other foods stock, they would most likely armed guards with orders to shoot looters.

it would interesting to see how units address the large logestics of feed. You need plates, mugs, glasses, knife forks spoons, pots and pans ect

While the US army has some of thses where are you going spare or spare parts for cooking systems.

Food for Thought lol

When I deployed in 2003 we spent the first eight months eating nothing but MRE's, then the cooks finally set up the MKT's for the next couple, after that they had mess halls built. We were a separate battalion (Core Wheeled) and had one MKT per company, at that time there were only two units like mine in the US Army, so not sure if we were a hold over TOE, or what. As for the Plates, mugs and that each soldier had there personal mess kit and canteen cup (not that we used them we used disposable at the MKT, and they had stuff at the mess hall).

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by CDAT

When I deployed in 2003 we spent the first eight months eating nothing but MRE's, then the cooks finally set up the MKT's for the next couple, after that they had mess halls built. We were a separate battalion (Core Wheeled) and had one MKT per company, at that time there were only two units like mine in the US Army, so not sure if we were a hold over TOE, or what. As for the Plates, mugs and that each soldier had there personal mess kit and canteen cup (not that we used them we used disposable at the MKT, and they had stuff at the mess hall).

Mess Kits need to cleaned

http://www.seabeecook.com/equipment/...ne_messkit.htm


http://www.seabeecook.com/sanitation/field/tips.htm

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Mess Kits need to cleaned

http://www.seabeecook.com/equipment/...ne_messkit.htm


http://www.seabeecook.com/sanitation/field/tips.htm

So do the trays that the MKT has, so does the gear that the troop has, so does the troop. So basically everything needs cleaned, now I can not speak for every unit, or every deployment but main things you need to clean is clean water (that is what the water purification units are for) and according to the links you provided a way to boil the water. How about using the MKT's to boil the water? So I am not sure what you are trying to say? I am not saying that the mess kits are with out issue but it looks to me like you are saying that they would be more issue than the same thing just under a different name.

[Vespers War]

One of the issues that would face a T2K food situation and trying to source the foods for these rations is the extreme concentration of crops. Take the Midwest. Here's their acreage of plant-based agriculture according to the USDA/NASS 2020 State Agriculture Overview (in millions of acres):

Iowa:
13.6 corn
9.4 soybean
1.225 hay
0.17 oats

Missouri:
5.85 soybeans
3.45 corn
3.145 hay
0.48 winter wheat
0.295 cotton
0.228 rice
0.035 oats

Nebraska
10.2 corn
5.2 soybeans
2.77 hay
0.9 winter wheat
0.195 sorghum
0.135 oats
0.13 millet
0.05 sunflower
0.046 sugarbeet
0.036 peas
0.019 potato

Kansas
6.6 winter wheat
6.1 corn
4.75 soybeans
3.0 sorghum
2.665 hay
0.195 cotton
0.14 oats
0.073 sunflower
0.016 barley
0.005 canola

Other than Nebraska's 36,000 acres of peas, there's no significant vegetables, and 19,000 acres of potatoes isn't much either. Modern agriculture is dependent on modern transportation infrastructure to get crops from where they're grown to where they're consumed, and when that breaks down, there's going to be malnourishment even in regions where sufficient food is grown from a caloric perspective.

Using the Rations for All food, peaches in particular are one I was discussing with a crop scientist recently. The closest significant source to these four states would be South Carolina. Michigan produces 6,000 tons per year, but that's less than 10% of what South Carolina produces and about 1.5% of what California produces; however they are the closest significant source of apples I know of at roughly 463,000 tons a year. I don't even know where they'd get pears. The closest tomatoes for D13 (and probably D7 and D8) would be in Florida.

There would be areas where the necessary foods could be sourced, but they'd be rare because of how crop concentration has progressed. Without easy transportation, that ration system's going to rapidly break down.

[CDAT]

One other thing that many forget, just because an area grows food, does not mean it has food year round. Some may have food most of the time, other only a very small amount of the time. Taking my home town for example it grows a lot of food, however if you were to show up in the winter there is no food to be had in the fields, same with just after planting.