Revisiting Prime Base

[nuke11]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Prime Base was started in 1963 and completed in 1982. Sigma Base is started in 1978 and completed in 1986.

It says the base was started in the late 1960's and was completed about 1980, but it also says it was completed over a 10 year period. So lets just say construction went into high gear starting in 1970.

The base in finished in 1980 with what seems to be full fusion power generation. We can surmise that Prime was built in stages, but it really says nowhere in TM1-1 or adventures when full size fusion power has invented by the project. It only says small sized fusion power pack in 1979 and in 1987 the project retrofitted itself with fusion to "stored" equipment. So Prime has to have been built with fusion in mind from the beginning.

Do we surmise that Prime was built from the beginning with a fusion power source, just on a large scale and the project was developing/researching small sized fusion in hopes of completing this before the war date Bruce saw?

Or was it retrofitted between 1979 and 1987 to now include fusion? We have the Support cylinder Level 13, Power and Light, which describes a rather large fusion bottle, which would be really tricky to retrofit into the lowest level of the Support cylinder.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by nuke11

The base in finished in 1980 with what seems to be full fusion power generation. We can surmise that Prime was built in stages, but it really says nowhere in TM1-1 or adventures when full size fusion power has invented by the project. It only says small sized fusion power pack in 1979 and in 1987 the project retrofitted itself with fusion to "stored" equipment. So Prime has to have been built with fusion in mind from the beginning.

We really need to look at the achievements of the Project in the building timeline to try and figure out a reasonable place for large fusion reactors based on what we actually have today. According to TM1-1, Morrow scientists perfected cryogenics in 1964 with refinements through 1989. It is indicated that the 1964 process worked with volunteers being frozen and unfrozen to no ill affect in a statistically very large number of cases.

So if they were able to achieve that in 1964 while we still cannot do that today, but today we have had a number of laboratory successes with fusion that produced more energy than consumed, it can logically be assumed that they had large reactors working in the early days of the Project. It is important to note that the need for vehicles that did not need to be refueled frequently may have been identified and prompted Bruce to go into the future looking specifically for this technology to be retrofitted into vehicles and power trailers, as the fusion technology they had may not have scaled to such small sizes.

None of this strictly violates canon even though canon does not directly speak to this either.

[nduffy]

Originally Posted by mmartin798

We really need to look at the achievements of the Project in the building timeline to try and figure out a reasonable place for large fusion reactors based on what we actually have today. According to TM1-1, Morrow scientists perfected cryogenics in 1964 with refinements through 1989. It is indicated that the 1964 process worked with volunteers being frozen and unfrozen to no ill affect in a statistically very large number of cases.

So if they were able to achieve that in 1964 while we still cannot do that today, but today we have had a number of laboratory successes with fusion that produced more energy than consumed, it can logically be assumed that they had large reactors working in the early days of the Project. It is important to note that the need for vehicles that did not need to be refueled frequently may have been identified and prompted Bruce to go into the future looking specifically for this technology to be retrofitted into vehicles and power trailers, as the fusion technology they had may not have scaled to such small sizes.

None of this strictly violates canon even though canon does not directly speak to this either.

Rabbit hole of interest. There is a large super collider complex in Waxahachie TX that was abandoned. Its still there. there are even miles of the tunnel dug that were never filled in, but instead were filled with water to preserve them. There is a lot of underground space for this thing... Serious potential for a base. https://interestingengineering.com/s...d-texas-desert..
Yes its a cylinder, but to find an abandoned project, and be able to re utilize it or turn it into a regional base or Prime back up would be a great opportunity. just my 2 cents... I live not far from this place... thats how I learned about it..

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by nduffy

Rabbit hole of interest. There is a large super collider complex in Waxahachie TX that was abandoned. Its still there. there are even miles of the tunnel dug that were never filled in, but instead were filled with water to preserve them. There is a lot of underground space for this thing... Serious potential for a base. https://interestingengineering.com/s...d-texas-desert..
Yes its a cylinder, but to find an abandoned project, and be able to re utilize it or turn it into a regional base or Prime back up would be a great opportunity. just my 2 cents... I live not far from this place... thats how I learned about it..

I remember this, but didn't realize that the tunnels had been preserved. As I recall, the tunneling was not completed, so it is not really a circular ring, but rather a nice arc segment of a torus. The arc is tens of kilometers long, so it would not be that hard to seal off a few kilometers for a base.

[dragoon500ly]

One of the major issues that I see with using abandoned complexes or anything that is in a public database is the lack of any real secrecy. Everything ranges from Youtubers searching "abandoned places," to drug cartels in search of that new laboratory location. Not to mention that certain intelligence agencies may report that location as a military target for round two or three of any nuclear exchange.

The effort would have to be to construct a secret base in an inhospitable location (aka Prime Base) or to covertly dig a base (aka Sigma Base).

Prime Base's location allows for the construction of large cylinders and an extensive support annex. This allows the Project to undertake a major mining operation.

Sigma Base's location almost requires the use of a tunnel boring machine or two to dig simple tunnels under the cover of a large complex with a heavy traffic flow.