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And the whine... there's plenty of stinky cheese that goes good with a whine. Go Blacks~~ FB 
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07-27-2012, 07:37 AM
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The US Army WWII Cavalry Recon Squadron
This thread has been way too quite for way too long!
The Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron was part of every armored division in the WWII Army, its organization is intresting... Squadron HQ Troop HQ Section: 2 jeeps, 2 halftracks Communications Section: 4 2.5-ton trucks, 3 M8 armd cars, 1 halftrack Squadron Admin and Personnel Section:1 jeep, 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer HQ Service Troop HQ Platoon HQ Section:1 jeep AM&S Section: 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer Maintenance Section:1 halftrack w/trailer Transportation Section:1 jeep, 6 2.5-ton trucks w/6 trailers Maintenance Platoon:1 jeep, 1 M8 armd car, 1 M32 ARV, 1 halftrack, 1 6-ton wrecker, 2 2.5-ton trucks w/trailers Supply Section:3 2.5-ton trucks w/trailers 3 Recon Troops, each with HQ Section: 3 jeeps, 2 M8 armd cars AM&S Section: 3 halftracks w/trailers, 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 M8 armd car, 1 halftrack w/trailer 3 Recon Platoons, each with Armored Car Section:3 M8 armd cars Scout Section: 6 jeeps Light Tank Company Company Headquarters HQ Section: 1 jeep, 2 M5 Stuart light tanks AM&S Section: 1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack, 1 ARV 3 Light Tank Platoons, each with:5 M5 Stuart light tanks Assault Gun Troop HQ Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack AM&S Section:1 2.5-ton truck w/trailer Maintenance Section: 1 jeep, 1 halftrack, 1 ARV 4 Assault Gun Platoons, each with HQ Section: 1 halftrack, 1 halftrack w/trailer Gun Section: 2 M-8 HMC w/trailers Ammo Section: 1 halftrack w/trailer Hmmmmmm, 1944-1989....pretty much the same config!
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07-27-2012, 03:11 PM
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07-27-2012, 09:23 PM
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Dude! Dragoon is back!
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07-28-2012, 04:17 AM
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LOL
Been waaaaayyyy to stupid at work! Been digging through some of the service's more remote warehouses...and it still amazes me just what some supply officer/nco stashes in remote corners: Two crates of 3.5-inch bazookas, Korean War issue and never been used! A propeller from a landing craft....at Fort Hood?! And among a stack of replacement gun tubes, two tubes for an M-60A2...glad to see some things just never, ever change!
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07-28-2012, 04:19 AM
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Guy just can't get a break!
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07-28-2012, 11:11 AM
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The Best Tank Gun?
Soooo...
At the height of the Cold War who fielded the best tank cannon? For NATO I'd have to say the 105mm cannon L7A1/M68 series was the best of the lot. Decent engagement envelope, effective out to 2,500m, excellent rate of fire, officially 7rpm, but a first class loader pulling vacuum loads could crank 12-15rpm and sheer number of platforms it was deployed on: Upgraded Centurion, M-48A5, M-60, M-60A1, M-60A3, M-1, IPM-1, Leopard I. For the Soviets, without a doubt the 115mm smootbore U-5TS mounted on the T-62 series was the best gun, unlike the NATO designs the Soviets went for short-range accuracy, Soviet doctrine held that tanks did not engage until 1,500m, but Israeli tests showed the 115mm was suprisingly accurate out to 2,500m. Its biggest fault is the poor quality of Soviet fire control equipment, when refitted with laser rangefinders and Western ballistic computers, well, the Israelis chose not to replace the 115mm on their captured T-62s. Rate of fire is excellent, capable of 7rpm, although there are reports that the accuracy of the U-5TS fell off during sustained combat due to the effects of a hot barrel and fouling due to the incomplete combustion of the propellent (quality control issues).
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07-28-2012, 12:42 PM
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The fact that you brought up barrel fouling is a case in point with the biggest issue with large calibre russian/soviet ammo: it isn't as good as the west. Chemistry, materials, who knows, just ounce for ounce their boomenstuff just isn't that good. Its why the L11 76mm gun that served on the original T34 was only the equal to the 5cm KwK of the Panzer 3's, and that is the reason that to equal the performance of the 7.5cm L48 KwK they had to go all the way to the 85mm D5T and all the way to a 122mm to equal the 7.5cm L70 KwK. Russian gun design, awesome. Ammo? not so much.
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07-28-2012, 01:12 PM
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07-28-2012, 03:20 PM
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The standard 90mm as fitted to the M-47/48 series have an effective range of 1,500m and a rate of fire of 5-6rpm
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08-01-2012, 06:28 AM
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08-01-2012, 05:02 PM
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Old theater coughed up two cases of BAR magazines in the grease. Tripod for M1919 MG Base plate for 60mm mortar... what would have been a battalion HQ building we found some old old FMs, a box of maps (none of which were for the local area I might add) The Hospital was creepy as we went there late in the day. Trees were growing up through the roof, windows smashed, there was white enamelware everywhere.. urnals, bedpans, washbasins, is what I recall offhand, but we didn't stay long.. pig patrol rolled by and we high tailed it out of there. But until you jogged the gears and blew some cobwebs away it was a forgotten memory. Some strange things can be found in out of the way places... the theater being the out of placed stuff.
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08-01-2012, 06:32 PM
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What amazes me is the sheer number of "never been issued" gear that turns up in the most unlikely of places.
On of my first warehouse audits was at Fort Bragg...where we found a WWII GI issue footlocker, stuffed with OSS manuals, buried in a pile of crates stuffed with winter clothing....in a range control warehouse!
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I get that thrill every time I start rooting around in the junk room, my closet, or the garage...
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08-02-2012, 06:02 AM
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Punishment in the old Army-1870s
Punishment was severe even for minor offenses and many officers believed that every violation committed deserved some infliction of bodily pain. It was also believed by hardcore, veteran officers that such brutality would instill fear into the men, and by this fear, they would be more controllable. However, this was not always the case. As the pattern of harsh punishments continued, a higher rate of desertions followed. Gambling, insubordination, absence from garrison without a pass, being unruly after taps, drunkenness, theft and tardiness at roll call were all considered to be serious violations of military discipline.
If a soldier was caught stealing government selling or destroying government property, he was certain to be “bucked and gagged.” The man would be seated on the ground, fleet flat and knees up. His wrists were bound in front, somewhat hugging his knees. A short pole was then thrust across the bend of his arms and beneath the knees, rendering him helpless. Finally he was gagged with a piece of soap or scrap wood and then left for a period of from four to six hours. A soldier might be condemned to be “on the chimes.” This required the man to balance on the edge of a wooden barrel for half a day. One false move and the soldier might find himself sprawling on the ground with damage to leg or knee, or heaped within the barrel, wedged like a sardine. Close by, a guard would be posted to insure that the condemned soldier would fully serve out his sentence. Wearing a “wooden overcoat” was another method of punishment. The bottom of a barrel was knocked out and hole was cut into the top, just large enough to slip over a man’s head. The victim would then be paraded around post in this manner for the duration of the day. Another common method of punishment in the infantry was “knapsack drill,” in which the soldier carried heavy stones in his backpack, marching to the beat of a guard for several hours. In the cavalry, the helpless trooper would be forces to carry his saddle, with full field equipment, strapped to his back. In the artillery, the gunner would endure “isolation on a platform,” where he would be ties spread-eagled to a wagon wheel for twenty-four hours. Carrying a twenty-five or thirty-pound log on one’s shoulder and “walking the ring” for the day was a common punishment for minor offenses. All of these punishments would carried out on the parade ground, regardless of heavy rains, scorching sun or subfreezing weather. For leaving post without proper authorization, failure to salute an officer, being seated while on duty, or reporting without proper equipment, a man might be committed to “double guard”. Instead of the customary two hours on guard and four hours off, it was reversed to four hour on guard and two hours off. Policing the camp, cleaning about the picket lines where the horses were tied, or digging new latrines were punishments assessed for the least offenses. If a soldier could keep off the black-list in his company, he would often be exempt from these less agreeable jobs due to a lengthy list of sentenced offenders. Company punishment for being drunk and disorderly generally meant being bucked and gagged, but this only gave the solider a bad taste and sore arms and legs. Further punishment involved digging a hole ten feet square and ten feet deep would restore the drunk to sobriety by the time the hole had been dug and then filled back in. If a soldier was found with a bottle in his possession, he would dug such a hole, and then bury the bottle in it. If the soldier had managed to truly enrage his first sergeant, he would often be sentenced to digging and filling such a hole, with a spoon. If a soldier was punish for stealing, he was often punished by having one-half of his hair, mustache and beard being shaved off, being stripped to the waist and had to wear a large board tied to his back marked in large letters, “I AM A THIEF,” he would be paraded around the garrison for the day without any food or drink. At the end of the day, he would report to his company commander for a harsh lecture and then would be sent back to his quarters to face his comrades, who had been waiting for his return to welcome him back with a sound thrashing. Once a soldier was caught and branded a thief, the shame was endured by the whole company. In many cases, the accused would desert within a few months, mainly because of the humiliation heaped on him by his officers or by the severity of the punishment for a small offense. Many veterans who had witnessed severe punishments handed out for incidental offenses urged for the formation of a “Company Q,” where a offender might serve and after a period of time of good behavior, reinstate himself. Many punishments were often handled out in violation of existing orders, but in only a few cases were any steps taken to cause their discontinuance. Flogging was abolished in 1861 by the Army, although some officers continued to use this method of punishment for some time, the last known occurrence being in 1867. Discharging a soldier for desertion was not a punishment at all. To the individual, it meant a little humiliation and embarrassment, being drummed out of camp before his comrades, but with his dishonorable discharge, he was finally free and rid of the Army for good. Forfeiture of all pay and allowances, except for the just dues of the company’s laundress and the sutler, were the only things that seemed to concern him. Having his head shaved and his left hip branded with a two-inch letter “D” (later replaced by an indelible ink stamping that took many washings to erase), only hurt his pride. Punishments given out by courts did not seem to have the slightly effect in preventing desertions. The number of desertions were so high that it was almost impossible to make the soldiers look upon desertion as a serious crime.
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08-02-2012, 06:06 AM
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The following instructions and suggestions for troops that served in the Indian country were prepared by an old Army officer as the result of actual experiences of thirty years of frontier service. They were published by General Reynolds, in General Orders No.77, Headquarters, Department of Texas, in 1859 with reference to the fact that “so many of the officers now serving in the Indian country have not had handed down to them the usages of the old Army in Indian matters and in traveling over the great plains. We publish them now, when most of our Army are serving in the Indian country and are likely to have abundant occasion to make use of all their Indian lore.”
Marching and Encamping No soldier will leave a military post or station, on field service, without first having been carefully inspected by the commanding officer, or by some suitable person by him designated. The inspector will see that such soldier is provided with arms and equipment, serviceable in every particular; that he has the prescribed amount of ammunition; good shoes; a change of underclothing; blanket, haversack, canteen, knife, fork, spoon, tin cup, tin plate, towel, comb, razor and a piece of soap. The inspector will see that the horse of a cavalry soldier is in apparent good health and well shod; that the horse equipments are in good repair and well oiled; that there is a lariat at least twenty feet long, and an iron picket pine; also a curry-comb and horse-brush. If an officer, whether of the line or staff, is to have charge of soldiers leaving a post or stations for field service, or as escort, such officer must be present at this inspection, personally to know the conditions of his men and animals before he starts. Means of transportation leaving a post or stations with or without troops, to be absent in the field or on ordinary roads, should in like manner be critically inspected. If the journey lies through a country infested with thieves or hostile Indians, each teamster and employee must be armed and supplied with ammunition. Each teamster must have a curry-comb, horse-brush, bucket, axe, and extra helve, hand-axe or hatchet and spade. In a train of three or more wagons there should be a pick-axe and two spades to every three wagons, with which to repair roads. With each of such trains there should be two or three scythes, complete, and scythe-stones; a hand saw; two augers of suitable sizes; a monkey-wrench; one or two mortising chisels; a coil or less of lariat rope; one or two lanterns; a band and shoeing hammer, wrought nails, mule shoes and nails; extra linchpins, tongues, bounds and coupling poles; the timbers to be tied on the outside of the wagon beds. Also extra hamess, collars, halters, singe and double trees, and trace chains; some open links; saddler’s awls; and a few buckskins. A teamster with an awl and a strip of buckskin can soon repair broken harness. There should be for service in a country infested with hostile Indians, a six-gallon water keg in good order and tight; hung under each wagon. Larger kegs cannot well be carried from where filled to the wagon by one man. If troops travel with a train, or with wagons, there should be enough of these kegs to afford at least two quarts of water to each man, including teamsters and employees. In ordinary marches, the cavalry soldier should march on foot, leading his horse, every third hour. Of course, all mounted officers marching with cavalry organizations will set the example of traveling on foot, when the cavalry soldier is required so to travel. There should be a halt of ten minutes after the first fifty minutes of a day’s journey and of at least five minutes at the end of every subsequent hour. When animals receive grain forage and are in good order, a day’s journey can be made without unsaddling cavalry horses or taking draught animals out of harness. When animals depend entirely on grazing, it will keep them up longer, especially if not in good flesh, to make, say two-thirds of the journey or thereabout, and then turn out and graze, and rest until the heat of the day is past; then saddle, harness, and move on so as to arrive at camp by or before sunset. It is always better to have daylight to see the surroundings of the camping place, collect fuel, get water, etc. When grass is scarce or lacks nutriment, and horses and mules are thin in flesh and travel-worn, two halts a day should be made to enable them to graze, or they will give out and break down entirely. If a party is small and liable to be attacked at night, it should do all its cooking in the daytime. Supper should be eaten before dark, water kegs filled, and bundles of fuel with which to cook breakfast tied under the wagons. The party should then move away from the watering hole or spring, and, after nightfall, move off road and camp in some valley or depression in the ground where the men, animals and wagons will not be seen relieved by the sky, and where an enemy, if he comes, will be thus visible. Each depression in the ground camped upon will doubtless have some run or ravine by which it is drained. In this, a gunshot distance from the camp, three sentinels, if the size of the command will admit of it, should be posted---one to stand post, the others in turn to sleep near him. Indians creep up such hollows where they might surprise a camp; they might shoot one sentinel with arrows; they could rarely shoot three with arrows before an alarm would be given. Under such circumstances a good sentinel will sit down near his comrades so that he can awaken them by a touch in case of need; will keep in the shadow, and depend upon his vigilance at night as much upon his ears as his eyes. Of course there will be other sentinels posted if the command can afford them; and these in like manner, should be posted in threes within the depression so as just to look over its rim, being in shadow and bringing against the sky any one who approaches. In a camp set for the night, there must be no loud talking, no fire, no light, no striking of flint and steel, no burning of matches. When it is determined upon before night that such a camp must be made, the men with their knives (if there be no scythes along) should grass enough for the horses and mules for the night. This they bring in on their blankets and stow it away in bundles in the wagons. By doing this, when danger of attacking is impending, all the horses and mules can be tied to the wagons or to a line and be securely fed, while the men, not being embarrassed by loose or scattered animals, have nothing to do but fight any one who menaces the camp. It often occurs when horses and mules are picketed out that a single Indian will crawl among them, cut a lariat, and gradually crawl away leading a horse or mule until out of range. He will then mount and ride slowly away until beyond earshot, and afterward double by circles of miles to catch views of the ground passed over by his own trail, that he may watch and count his pursuers as they slowly follow his tracks, step by step, himself unseen. In hostile Indian country a small escort should always precede the person escorted. On such occasions creeks or ravines to be crossed, or canons or other dangerous places to be gone through, should be first carefully reconnoitered. After these are passed the escort will never move on without having the person escorted well up on it. If danger be imminent, two or more men will travel as an advance guard ---some fifty or one hundred yards in front, and a like number in rear as rear guard. In broken ground, one man, at least, should march a hundred yards or more on each flank, abreast of the advance guard, but always in sight of it. Arms should be carefully inspected by the officer in charge every night before the men lie down to sleep. The carbine or musket of each soldier should be carefully loaded, the piece at half cock and laid beside its owner on his blanket, muzzle toward his feet to prevent danger from accidental discharge, and also to be in position to be readily seized and aimed. If the man has a revolver, the inspector will see that it is not only fully loaded and capped, and that the cylinder revolves easily, but that the hammer is on the stop. When danger of an attack during the night is apprehended, the man will not be permitted to remove his pistol from his person, or his shoes from his feet. In the morning, without fail, the men, teamsters and all, will fall in quickly and completely armed, when called by signal or otherwise. This practice will accustom the men to seize their arms ready to fight the moment they spring from bed---even when awakened at any hour. When everything has been prepared for the march, the officer in charge, before a man leaves the ground, will have another careful inspection of the arms and the outfit generally, personally, to know that each man is ready to fight at moment’s notice. He will see that the canteens and kegs are filled, if he is still near water; if not near water, this will be done under his own supervision at the next water on the route. Under no circumstances will teamster’s arms be stowed in wagons or feed boxes, or in the ambulances under other things, but be kept strapped to the bows of the wagon, or stanchions of the ambulance, breech toward the owner, at half cock, ready for use in a moment. Let this be remembered. Many a life has been lost by forgetting it. The person in charge of an escort, detachment, or train should, by previous inquiries, have learned as far as possible all about the road or country he is to pass over from day to day, to the end that if no fuel is to be found at his next camp or halting place, he may have a few fagots or “buffalo chips” put on his wagons for cooking. Fires made of green wood make much smoke, which at nightfall settles along valleys and low places, and can be seen a long way off. Fires made from dried hard wood make but little smoke, which seldom settles or becomes visible, even when a norther or other sudden cold change in the weather is about to take place. The burning brands of wood left after cooking is done should at once be scattered and extinguished by shoveling dirt upon them, especially at night when fire is no longer required, even though the camp is to remain for the night; first, that the fire may not be seen; second, that sudden gusts or gales of wind may not blow sparks into wagons, tents or beds, or set the neighboring grass on fire; third; that the remaining unburned wood may be used next morning, or by yourself on your return trip, or by some needy traveler. Soldiers and teamsters have the bad habit, when about to leave a camp or halting place, of piling all remaining wood upon the fires. Fires should be extinguished and the remaining brands and logs should be scattered. It takes but very little fuel, if carefully husbanded, to boil a kettle of water for coffee, bake bread or fry a pan of meat. If possible, bread should be baked in the daytime at points where fuel is plenty. If properly made, it will last and be good for two or three days, especially in cold weather. In Texas especially, and on the plains generally, all rivers, streams, and dry beds of creeks are subject to very sudden and dangerous floods, sometimes from distant rains, when overhead the sky is clear and not a drop of rain has fallen. Therefore troops and trains should always cross one of these and then move on to ground certain to be above the reach of any freshnet, before they encamp. This rule should never be forgotten.
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Most of those rules still apply today, if somewhat updated and improved upon.
Makes you think just how lax things were a hundred plus years ago and how little most soldiers and officers knew about light, sound, and smell discipline (and a lot still don't!).
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Robert Roger's 28 Rules of Ranging cira 1759
(note: I was 'introduced' to these rules in 1968 when I entered the Infantry. I kept them taped inside my wall-locker. Though modernized the concepts and principles still apply as much today as they did in 1968, or 200 years before that.)
1.All Rangers are to be subject to the rules and articles of war; to appear at roll-call every evening, on their own parade, equipped, each with a Firelock, sixty rounds of powder and ball, and a hatchet, at which time an officer from each company is to inspect the same, to see they are in order, so as to be ready on any emergency to march at a minute's warning; and before they are dismissed, the necessary guards are to be draughted, and scouts for the next day appointed. 2.Whenever you are ordered out to the enemies forts or frontiers for discoveries, if your number be small, march in a single file, keeping at such a distance from each other as to prevent one shot from killing two men, sending one man, or more, forward, and the like on each side, at the distance of twenty yards from the main body, if the ground you march over will admit of it, to give the signal to the officer of the approach of an enemy, and of their number, &c. 3.If you march over marshes or soft ground, change your position, and march abreast of each other to prevent the enemy from tracking you (as they would do if you marched in a single file) till you get over such ground, and then resume your former order, and march till it is quite dark before you encamp, which do, if possible, on a piece of ground which that may afford your sentries the advantage of seeing or hearing the enemy some considerable distance, keeping one half of your whole party awake alternately through the night. 4.Some time before you come to the place you would reconnoitre, make a stand, and send one or two men in whom you can confide, to look out the best ground for making your observations. 5.If you have the good fortune to take any prisoners, keep them separate, till they are examined, and in your return take a different route from that in which you went out, that you may the better discover any party in your rear, and have an opportunity, if their strength be superior to yours, to alter your course, or disperse, as circumstances may require. 6.If you march in a large body of three or four hundred, with a design to attack the enemy, divide your party into three columns, each headed by a proper officer, and let those columns march in single files, the columns to the right and left keeping at twenty yards distance or more from that of the center, if the ground will admit, and let proper guards be kept in the front and rear, and suitable flanking parties at a due distance as before directed, with orders to halt on all eminences, to take a view of the surrounding ground, to prevent your being ambuscaded, and to notify the approach or retreat of the enemy, that proper dispositions may be made for attacking, defending, &c. And if the enemy approach in your front on level ground, form a front of your three columns or main body with the advanced guard, keeping out your flanking parties, as if you were marching under the command of trusty officers, to prevent the enemy from pressing hard on either of your wings, or surrounding you, which is the usual method of the savages, if their number will admit of it, and be careful likewise to support and strengthen your rear-guard. 7.If you are obliged to receive the enemy's fire, fall, or squat down, till it is over; then rise and discharge at them. If their main body is equal to yours, extend yourselves occasionally; but if superior, be careful to support and strengthen your flanking parties, to make them equal to theirs, that if possible you may repulse them to their main body, in which case push upon them with the greatest resolution with equal force in each flank and in the center, observing to keep at a due distance from each other, and advance from tree to tree, with one half of the party before the other ten or twelve yards. If the enemy push upon you, let your front fire and fall down, and then let your rear advance thro' them and do the like, by which time those who before were in front will be ready to discharge again, and repeat the same alternately, as occasion shall require; by this means you will keep up such a constant fire, that the enemy will not be able easily to break your order, or gain your ground. 8.If you oblige the enemy to retreat, be careful, in your pursuit of them, to keep out your flanking parties, and prevent them from gaining eminences, or rising grounds, in which case they would perhaps be able to rally and repulse you in their turn. 9.If you are obliged to retreat, let the front of your whole party fire and fall back, till the rear hath done the same, making for the best ground you can; by this means you will oblige the enemy to pursue you, if they do it at all, in the face of a constant fire. 10.If the enemy is so superior that you are in danger of being surrounded by them, let the whole body disperse, and every one take a different road to the place of rendezvous appointed for that evening, which must every morning be altered and fixed for the evening ensuing, in order to bring the whole party, or as many of them as possible, together, after any separation that may happen in the day; but if you should happen to be actually surrounded, form yourselves into a square, or if in the woods, a circle is best, and, if possible, make a stand till the darkness of the night favours your escape. 11.If your rear is attacked, the main body and flankers must face about to the right or left, as occasion shall require, and form themselves to oppose the enemy, as before directed; and the same method must be observed, if attacked in either of your flanks, by which means you will always make a rear of one of your flank-guards. 12.If you determine to rally after a retreat, in order to make a fresh stand against the enemy, by all means endeavour to do it on the most rising ground you come at, which will give you greatly the advantage in point of situation, and enable you to repulse superior numbers. 13.In general, when pushed upon by the enemy, reserve your fire till they approach very near, which will then put them into the greatest surprise and consternation, and give you an opportunity of rushing upon them with your hatchets and cutlasses to the better advantage. 14.When you encamp at night, fix your sentries in such a manner as not to be relieved from the main body till morning, profound secrecy and silence being often of the last importance in these cases. Each sentry therefore should consist of six men, two of whom must be constantly alert, and when relieved by their fellows, it should be done without noise; and in case those on duty see or hear any thing, which alarms them, they are not to speak, but one of them is silently to retreat, and acquaint the commanding officer thereof, that proper dispositions may be made; and all occasional sentries should be fixed in like manner. 15.At the first dawn of day, awake your whole detachment; that being the time when the savages choose to fall upon their enemies, you should by all means be in readiness to receive them. 16.If the enemy should be discovered by your detachments in the morning, and their numbers are superior to yours, and a victory doubtful, you should not attack them till the evening, as then they will not know your numbers, and if you are repulsed, your retreat will be favoured by the darkness of the night. 17.Before you leave your encampment, send out small parties to scout round it, to see if there be any appearance or track of an enemy that might have been near you during the night. 18.When you stop for refreshment, choose some spring or rivulet if you can, and dispose your party so as not to be surprised, posting proper guards and sentries at a due distance, and let a small party waylay the path you came in, lest the enemy should be pursuing. 19.If, in your return, you have to cross rivers, avoid the usual fords as much as possible, lest the enemy should have discovered, and be there expecting you. 20.If you have to pass by lakes, keep at some distance from the edge of the water, lest, in case of an ambuscade or an attack from the enemy, when in that situation, your retreat should be cut off. 21.If the enemy pursue your rear, take a circle till you come to your own tracks, and there form an ambush to receive them, and give them the first fire. 22.When you return from a scout, and come near our forts, avoid the usual roads, and avenues thereto, lest the enemy should have headed you, and lay in ambush to receive you, when almost exhausted with fatigues. 23.When you pursue any party that has been near our forts or encampments, follow not directly in their tracks, lest they should be discovered by their rear guards, who, at such a time, would be most alert; but endeavour, by a different route, to head and meet them in some narrow pass, or lay in ambush to receive them when and where they least expect it. 24.If you are to embark in canoes, battoes, or otherwise, by water, choose the evening for the time of your embarkation, as you will then have the whole night before you, to pass undiscovered by any parties of the enemy, on hills, or other places, which command a prospect of the lake or river you are upon. 25.In paddling or rowing, give orders that the boat or canoe next the sternmost, wait for her, and the third for the second, and the fourth for the third, and so on, to prevent separation, and that you may be ready to assist each other on any emergency. 26.Appoint one man in each boat to look out for fires, on the adjacent shores, from the numbers and size of which you may form some judgment of the number that kindled them, and whether you are able to attack them or not. 27.If you find the enemy encamped near the banks of a river or lake, which you imagine they will attempt to cross for their security upon being attacked, leave a detachment of your party on the opposite shore to receive them, while, with the remainder, you surprise them, having them between you and the lake or river. 28.If you cannot satisfy yourself as to the enemy's number and strength, from their fire, &c. conceal your boats at some distance, and ascertain their number by a reconnoitering party, when they embark, or march, in the morning, marking the course they steer, &c. when you may pursue, ambush, and attack them, or let them pass, as prudence shall direct you. In general, however, that you may not be discovered by the enemy upon the lakes and rivers at a great distance, it is safest to lay by, with your boats and party concealed all day, without noise or shew; and to pursue your intended route by night; and whether you go by land or water, give out parole and countersigns, in order to know one another in the dark, and likewise appoint a station every man to repair to, in case of any accident that may separate you.
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08-02-2012, 10:19 AM
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The 'ficitonal' version of Roger's Rules
Note: Actually I think THIS is the rules I had in my locker.. It's the SIMPLE MAN's verison of the previous. I especially like part in Nr. 4.
1.Don't forget nothing. 2.Have your musket clean as a whistle, hatchet scoured, sixty rounds powder and ball, and be ready to march at a minute's warning. 3.When you're on the march, act the way you would if you was sneaking up on a deer. See the enemy first. 4.Tell the truth about what you see and what you do. There is an army depending on us for correct information. You can lie all you please when you tell other folks about the Rangers, but don't never lie to a Ranger or officer. 5.Don't never take a chance you don't have to. 6.When we're on the march we march single file, far enough apart so one shot can't go through two men. 7.If we strike swamps, or soft ground, we spread out abreast, so it's hard to track us. 8.When we march, we keep moving till dark, so as to give the enemy the least possible chance at us. 9.When we camp, half the party stays awake while the other half sleeps. 10.If we take prisoners, we keep 'em separate till we have had time to examine them, so they can't cook up a story between 'em. 11.Don't ever march home the same way. Take a different route so you won't be ambushed. 12.No matter whether we travel in big parties or little ones, each party has to keep a scout 20 yards ahead, 20 yards on each flank, and 20 yards in the rear so the main body can't be surprised and wiped out. 13.Every night you'll be told where to meet if surrounded by a superior force. 14.Don't sit down to eat without posting sentries. 15.Don't sleep beyond dawn. Dawn's when the French and Indians attack. 16.Don't cross a river by a regular ford. 17.If somebody's trailing you, make a circle, come back onto your own tracks, and ambush the folks that aim to ambush you. 18.Don't stand up when the enemy's coming against you. Kneel down, lie down, hide behind a tree. 19.Let the enemy come till he's almost close enough to touch, then let him have it and jump out and finish him up with your hatchet.
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08-03-2012, 06:18 AM
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The following instructions and suggestions for troops that served in the Indian country were prepared by an old Army officer as the result of actual experiences of thirty years of frontier service. They were published by General Reynolds, in General Orders No.77, Headquarters, Department of Texas, with reference to the fact that “so many of the officers now serving in the Indian country have not had handed down to them the usages of the old Army in Indian matters and in traveling over the great plains. We publish them now, when most of our Army are serving in the Indian country and are likely to have abundant occasion to make use of all their Indian lore.”
Treatment of Wounds and Diseases Small detachments of troops, escorts and trains, about to march without a doctor through a country infested with hostile Indians, should be furnished with such medicines and appliances as will meet ordinary casualties and emergencies, and suffice temporarily, until assistance can be rendered by a medical officer. For example: a few dozen pills of opium and of quinine; some cathartic pills; an ounce or two of tincture of opium; a few doses of salts; a bottle of volatile liniment; a pocket case; a set of splints; a few roller bandages; a fine sponge; some patent lint; a few square inches of oiled silk; a yard of adhesive plaster; a package of tow; and a few bottles of whiskey or brandy. In the event of a gun-shot wound the proper dressing is two layers of lint, say an inch and a half square, saturated with cold water and placed on each orifice of the wound. A piece of oiled silk, twice as large, is laid on that; and all retained in place, say, by a pocket handkerchief. This dressing should be kept on until the parts become stiff and painful---two to six days, according to the season---when the dressing should be removed, and either a similar dressing or warm water, or a bread-and-water poultice, should be applied and renewed once or twice daily. The less a wounded man eats the first five or six days, the better. After that he requires nourishment. If the wound is a simple punctured wound, and if at any time it becomes severely painful, the pledget of lint wetted with the tincture of opium instead of water will be applied, and water should be instituted at the next dressing if the pain has been relieved. If a bone has been fractured by the ball in transit, the first mentioned dressing must be used as directed; than a roller bandage will be applied to the limb, commencing at the fingers or the toes according to the limb wounded; a splint is then applied to two or four sides of the limb to steady the bone, and is retained by another roller bandage. Care should be taken not to apply the bandage too tight at first, lest the swelling of limb should occasion much pain. An incised wound---that is, a wound made by a sharp cutting instrument---should be drawn together closely, the surface of the skin about the wound should be wrapped dry and strips of adhesive plaster, half an inch wide and several inches long, should be applied across it so as to keep the parts in contact, and cold water, lint, oiled silk, and handkerchief employed as directed above. Should the blood be jetting from an incised wound, the wound must be pressed open, the mouth of the vessel at the point where the blood jets out must be seized by a pair of tweezers of forceps, and turned around once or twice, and the wound be then closed and dressed as above directed. A simple contused wound does best without any application. A limb bitten by a snake should be tied by a band above the place bitten, volatile liniment kept upon the wound and constantly applied to the whole limb, the patient at the same time sustained by draughts of whiskey or brandy sufficient to stimulate but not intoxicate. Scouts that visit the settlements of Mexicans along the Rio Grande should learn from that people how to employ in snake bites the golondrineria or swallowwort. It is said to be a prompt specific for the rattlesnake bite. It may be bruised, leaves , stem and root, the juice expressed and drunk by the spoonful, and also be applied to the wound. Wounds made by Indian arrows may be treated as incised or punctured wounds. If suspected of being poisoned, they should be treated as snake bites. Stretchers, if necessary, may be extemporized by poles and pieces cut in the woods, or by using tent poles and a blanket lashed to them. In the event of heatstroke, if the patient have a pale face and feeble pulse, apply the cold douche by pailfuls of cold water dashed over his head and body, and whiskey or brandy toddy constantly given until he revives or his pulse becomes natural. If, when marching or in camp, by day or night, the Indians set fire to the grass to the windward, to burn your train or camp you must at once set the grass on fire to the leeward, and keep it from burning up toward your train or camp, by the men beating it out with their blankets. Then move on to burnt place far enough to the leeward to be out of danger of the approaching flames. It will be well for soldiers always to remember this simple rule when traveling in a country infested with hostile Indians: If you think there are no Indians near, then is the time to be especially on your guard. The Indians are wily and very patient. They will hover about and watch you sometimes for days and days, to find you relaxing your vigilance and at length off your guard. They see and know full well when you think they are not near. That is just the time when, as a panther which has patiently watched its prey, they make their spring. It is better to be prudent all the time---and even more than cautious---than to be left on foot or to lose life.
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#352
08-03-2012, 06:21 AM
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Then you get a book like "Black Hawk Down" and its story of how a "elite" unit like the Rangers, forget to bring such basics as canteens, NVGs and even reserve ammo on a combat mission. 
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#353
08-03-2012, 10:33 AM
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08-05-2012, 07:58 AM
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The Soviet Union deploys a Regimental Reconnaissance Company with every tank and motor rifle regiment, its make up is as follows:
Total Strength is 4-5 officers and 43-57 enlisted. Equipment: 3 BMP-2/PT-76/or MBT, 9 BRDM-2s, 3-5 motorcycles, 1 GS-12 radar. Each BRDM has 1 LMG and 1 RPG-7 for dismounted use. The Division Reconnaissance Battalion is organic to the tank and motor rifle divisions, is made of as follows: Headquarters and Support Company: 9 officers, 40 enlisted men; 2 BRDM-2, 16 trucks, 1 motorcycle. Tank Company: 4 officers, 31 enlisted men; one HQ IFV/tank, and two platoons of three BMP-2/PT-76/MBT Reconnaissance Company: 5 officers, 63 enlisted men; with HQ Section with 1 BRDM-2 2 or 3 Scout Car platoons, 6 BRDM-2 each NBC Recon Platoon with 4 BRDM-rkh Motorcycle platoon with 32 motorcycles Long Range Reconnaissance Company: 6 officers, 27 enlisted men, Radio Interception Company The Long Range Reconnaissance Company typically operates from 50-350km in advance of the main body. They may be carried forward by BRDMs of the Reconnaissance Company or inserted via helicopter/parachute. Thye may operate in company strength or be dispersed into 5-man patrols. They are equipped with standard infantry firearms (fitted with noise suppressors), as well additional camouflage equipment and pioneer tools for constructing patrol hiding places. Because the patrols are lightly armed, they seek to avoid direct contact with the enemy by dispersing and regrouping of by concealment. They are also equipped with long-range radios equipped for burst transmisson to avoid enemy ELINT. The LRRPs are used to locate enemy nuclear weapons and delivery systems and then call-in air/artillery strikes. They may also conduct raids on headquarters or communications facilities or stage ambushes to capture prisoners/equipment. They may also kink up with airborne desants, in-place KGB agents or GRU intelligence troops to increase their striking power and report back information. But their primary mission is reconnaissance. LRRPs are elite troops, their personnel receive better and more indepth training and conditioning than the average soldier. The remaining units of the Division Recon Battalion operate roughly a day's march (35-50km) in front of the division, usually in small patrols of 2-4 scout cars and motorcycles, often reinforced by 1-2 BMPs/tanks. Patrols operate throughout the divisional sector, along the main axis of advance, on parallel routes and along the flanks. Patrols will often move in pairs of vehicles, with one pair remaining in overwatch while the other pair moves forward and reporting back on enemy forces, terrain, road conditions and NBC contamination. Engineer squads are often attached to the patrol to recon and clear any obstacles discovered along the patrol's route. The battalion is often reinforced with a motor rifle company (and an attached platoon of tanks) from the advance guard battalion. The Regimental Recon Company operates in a similar manner, roughly a half-day's march ahead of the regiment's main body. On the defense, the recon patrols stay forward of the main defense line to report on the enemy axis of advance, but make no effort to engage. Screening and security duties are performed by detached motor rifle/tank companies Unlike NATO, Soviet recon units are intended purely for scouting. THey do not have a screening/security mission. NATO units are strong, combined-arms force, able to fight their way forward for information, in strong contrast to the Soviet approach. This is reflected by Soviet recon vehicles, light, mobile and designed to cover long distances, quickly, and to depend on their speed and concealment for thier protection. When a Soviet recon patrol discovers the enemy, it will return fire and then attempt to break contact, aided by the fire of any overwatching vehicles. It noramlly retires to the nearest cover and then report the encounter by visual signal, radio or by courier. The patrol will then attempt to infiltrate around the enemy forces and resume its mission. It only engges the enemy if they also appear to be a recon patrol of the if Soviets have the advantage.
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#355
08-18-2012, 06:44 AM
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Tanks and Penetration, at least in WWII!
Over the life of this thread, we have discussed modern military firepower, I thought it would be intresting to highlight what tankers would have faced in WWII.
The 2 pounder: In the early years of the war, this was the standard cannon armament for much of the British armor force. It fired AP and APHV ammunition. APHV entered service in the latter years of the war, at 250m, it could penetrate 64mm of homogeneous armor, at 500m: 57mm, at 750m: 51mm at 1,000m: 45mm. AP was used during the early years, at 250m it could penetrate 58mm, at 500m: 52mm, 750m: 46mm at 1,000m: 40mm. The 6 pounder entered service at the hight of the North Africa fighting, its main round was the APCBC round, against homogeneous armor, at 500m, it could penetrate 81mm, at 1,000m: 74mm, at 1,500m: 63mm at 2,000m:56mm. During this period the Germans started introducing face-hardened armor on their MkIIIs and MkIVs, the 6pdr at 500m, could penetrate 76mm of this armor, at 1,000m: 74mm, at 1,500m: 68mm at 2,000m: 63mm The 37mm M6 was introduced on the Stuart light tank just before the intorduction of the 6pdr. Its APC M51 round, against homogeneous armor, at 500m could penetrate 53mm, at 1,000m: 46mm, at 1,500m: 40mm at 2,000m: 35mm. Against German face-hardened armor: at 500m: 46mm, at 1,000m: 40mm, at 1,500m: 38mm at 2,000m: 33mm The early models Lee/Grants and M4 Shermans used the 75mm gun M-2. Its main antitank round was the AP M72 and the APC M61. The performance of the AP round (homogeneous/face-hardened armor): at 500m: 60mm/58mm, at 1,000m: 53mm/46mm, at 1,500m: 46mm/33mm at 2,000m: 38mm/25mm, The APC's performance, at 500m: 60mm/69mm; at 1,000m: 55mm/60mm, at 1,500m: 51mm/55mm at 2,000m: 46mm/48mm. The late models Lee/Grant and M-4A1 Shermans used the longer barrelled 75mm Gun M-3. It used the same AT rounds as the M-2. AP shot at 500m: 76mm/66mm; at 1,000m 63mm/53mm, at 1,500m at 51mm/41mm at 2,000m: 43mm/33mm. APC shot, at 500m: 66mm/74mm, at 1,000m: 60mm/67mm, at 1,500m: 55mm/60mm at 2,000m: 50mm/54mm. The 3-inch gun was mounted on the M-10 tank destroyer. It fired the AP M79, APC M62 and the HVAP M93. AP at 500m: 109mm; at 1,000m: 92mm, at 1,500m: 76mm, at 2,000m: 64mm. The APC round, at 500m: 93mm, at 1,000m: 88mm, at 1,500m: 82mm at 2,000m: 75mm. HVAP at 500m: 157mm, at 1,000m: 135mm, at 1,500m: 116mm at 2,000: 98mm. The 76mm gun entered service from 1943 onwards. It fired three types of rounds, the AP M79, the APC M62 and the HVAP M93 (TD use only). The AP round at 500m: 109mm, at 1,000m: 92mm, at 1,500m: 76mm at 2,000m: 64mm. APC at 500m: 93mm, at 1,000m: 88mm, at 1,500m: 82mm at 2,000m: 75mm. HVAP at 500m: 157mm, at 1,000m: 135mm, at 1,500m: 116mm at 2,000m: 98mm The Sherman Firefly mounted the 17pounder. It used the APCBC and SVDS (early form of sabot). APCBC at 500m: 140mm, at 1,000m: 130mm, at 1,500m: 120mm at 2,000m: 111mm. SVDS, at 500m: 208mm, at 1,000m: 192mm, at 1,500m: 176m at 2,000m: 161mm. The final WWII tank gun was the 90mm. It fired the APC M82 and the HVAP M304. The APC at 500m: 120mm, at 1,000m: 112mm, at 1,500m: 104mm, at 2,000m: 96mm. The HVAP, at 500m: 221mm, at 1,000m: 199mm, at 1,500m: 176mm at 2,000m: 156mm Sources are "Sherman", "British and American Tanks of WWII"
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08-18-2012, 12:30 PM
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WWII Tank Penetration, the Germans
source is the "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of WWII"
2cm KwK 30 L55, as mounted on the PzKw II 100m: 20mm 500m: 14mm 1000m: 9mm 2cm FlaK30 L112.5, standard light AA gun 100m: 49mm 500m: 20mm 2.8cm sPzB41 100m: 60mm 500m: 40mm 1000m: 19mm 3.7cm Pak 35/36 L45, standard towed AT gun in the early war years 100m: 34mm 500m: 29mm 1000m: 29mm 1500m: 22mm 2000m: 19mm 3.7cm KwK34(t) L40, mounted on captured Czech Model 35 tanks 100m: 37mm 500m: 31mm 1000m: 26mm 1500m: 22mm 3.7cm KwK38(t) L47.8, mounted on captured Czech Model 38 tanks 100m: 41mm 500m: 35mm 1000m: 29mm 1500m: 24mm 4.7cmPaK(t) L43.4, captured Czech AT guns 100m: 54mm 500m: 48mm 1000m: 41mm 1500m: 35mm 5cm KwK38 L42, mounted on the early PzKw III 100m: 54mm 500m: 46mm 1000m: 36mm 1500m: 28mm 2000m: 22mm 5cm KwK39 L60, mounted on the late model PzKw III 100m: 67mm 500m: 57mm 1000m: 44mm 1500m: 34mm 2000m: 26mm 5cm PaK 38 L60, standard German towed AT gun, mid-war years 100m: 69mm 500m: 59mm 1000m: 48mm 1500m: 38mm 2000m: 29mm 7.5cm KwK37 L24, mounted on early PzKw IV 100m: 41mm 500m: 39mm 1000m: 35mm 1500m: 33mm 2000m: 30mm 7.5cm KwK40 L43, mounted on the late MkIV 100m: 98mm 500m: 91mm 1000m: 82mm 1500m: 72mm 2000m: 63mm 7.5cm KwK40 L48, mounted on StuGIII, and some of the Marder-series 100m: 106mm 500m: 96mm 1000m: 85mm 1500m: 74mm 2000m: 64mm 7.5cm KwK42 L70, mounted on the Panther 100m: 194mm 500m: 174mm 1000m: 149mm 1500m: 127mm 2000m: 106mm 7.62cm Pak36(r) L51.5, mounted on some of the Marder-series 100m: 135mm 500m: 116mm 1000m: 94mm 1500m: 75mm 2000m: 58mm 8.8cm FlaK18 & 37 L56, standard towed AA gun 100m: 127mm 500m: 117mm 1000m: 106mm 1500m: 97mm 2000m: 88mm 8.8cm KwK36 L56, mounted on the Tiger I 100m: 171mm 500m: 156mm 1000m: 138mm 1500m: 123mm 2000m: 132mm 8.8cm KwK43 L71, mounted on the King Tiger 100m: 237mm 500m: 217mm 1000m: 193mm 1500m: 171mm 2000m: 153mm 12.8cm K40 L61, mounted on the JagdTiger 100m: 201mm 500m: 176mm 1000m: 150mm 1500m: 132mm 2000m: 120mm 12.8cm Pak44 L55 100m: 187mm 500m: 178mm 1000m: 167mm 1500m: 157mm 2000m: 148mm
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08-18-2012, 12:33 PM
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Armor Penetration
As you can see, Allied tank guns were very underpowered compared to their German counterparts. This was mostly due to the German superiority in chemicals, their propellant was several times better than Allied propellant, coupled with better gun construction, well, you can see why the German tanks were feared.
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08-18-2012, 02:09 PM
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the best course of action when all is against you is to slow down and think critically about the situation. this way you are not blindly rushing into an ambush and your mind is doing something useful rather than getting you killed.
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08-19-2012, 09:11 AM
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08-19-2012, 12:00 PM
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Speaking of Modern and WW2 era weapons, here is a thought to ponder:
Who here would be willing to take on a Sherman Tank, be it any flavour from the second world war, against a Leopard 1? I imagine it would be safe to say, no one. But the funny thing is, thousands upon thousands have. At least as far as protection goes if not firepower. When the Leopard 1 was built, a lot of folks made comment that they could have returned the Panther to production and they would be just as well off. How little did they know. Till the end of the production of the Leopard, the hull plates angle and thickness (as well as type of metal used) was a perfect match for the Panther AusfG. On the original Turrets, the same - albeit hull and turret top armour was slightly beefed up. Makes one think when you know that the Leo is nothing more than upgunned Panther with a facelift. Oh. One more thing... The Leo 1? Not to shabby for a Porsche eh?
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