Rough Sports (was Invasion of Alaska )

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

But first things first... Canada vs USA for the gold medal game in world junior hockey... I have my beer and pizza and my remote... I am set...

Real hockey or ice hockey?

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Targan

Real hockey or ice hockey?

Tsk, Tsk, Targan, you KNOW there's only one REAL Hockey. That thing they do on ice is a pale imitation!

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Tsk, Tsk, Targan, you KNOW there's only one REAL Hockey. That thing they do on ice is a pale imitation!

Right on brother.

[Cdnwolf]

and what the hell is Real Hockey? Figure skating? Oh I see now... the girls sport... field hockey!!

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

and what the hell is Real Hockey? Figure skating? Oh I see now... the girls sport... field hockey!!

Hmm, I don't think the members of the Kookaburras look much like girls. And if we are questioning the masculinity of certain sports people, lets take a look at some popular North American sports. Gridiron - kind of like rugby (the sport played in heaven) but strangely ritualised and with all that pansy padding and helmets. Shrunken testicles anyone? Ooh, and lets see what else. Baseball? What the hell is with those pants? Strongly influenced by gay fashion methinks.

You want real sports played by real men, come to the southern hemisphere.

[Legbreaker]

Down here in the southern hemisphere, terms like "armour" and "padding" are looked upon as a sign of weakness.

REAL men play games that can result in SERIOUS injury - broken arms and legs, torn tendons, even the odd spinal injury.

And do they moan about the risk? Do they dress up in fancy protection? NO, they grit their teeth against the pain, get up and play on!

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Targan

Hmm, I don't think the members of the Kookaburras look much like girls. And if we are questioning the masculinity of certain sports people, lets take a look at some popular North American sports. Gridiron - kind of like rugby (the sport played in heaven) but strangely ritualised and with all that pansy padding and helmets. Shrunken testicles anyone? Ooh, and lets see what else. Baseball? What the hell is with those pants? Strongly influenced by gay fashion methinks.

You want real sports played be real men, come to the southern hemisphere.

Hey, don't look at me! My sport in high school was judo -- and we weren't considered real jocks.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Down here in the southern hemisphere, terms like "armour" and "padding" are looked upon as a sign of weakness.

REAL men play games that can result in SERIOUS injury - broken arms and legs, torn tendons, even the odd spinal injury.

And do they moan about the risk? Do they dress up in fancy protection? NO, they grit their teeth against the pain, get up and play on!

Hell yeah! Wait a sec, are you taking the piss?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Down here in the southern hemisphere, terms like "armour" and "padding" are looked upon as a sign of weakness.

REAL men play games that can result in SERIOUS injury - broken arms and legs, torn tendons, even the odd spinal injury.

And do they moan about the risk? Do they dress up in fancy protection? NO, they grit their teeth against the pain, get up and play on!

No, real men do really dangerous things -- like tell a girlfriend they're breaking up with that they're an insane bitch...ouch!

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Targan

Hell yeah! Wait a sec, are you taking the piss?

Why would I do that? I'm a REAL Australian male!

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

No, real men do really dangerous things -- like tell a girlfriend they're breaking up with that they're an insane bitch...ouch!

Real men marry the homocidally insane bitch, then break up with them....

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Real men marry the homocidally insane bitch, then break up with them....

I knew there was a good reason I never got married...

[Webstral]

The Irish do pretty well with insane games. I've seen hurling/hurley. For those not familiar, you get a bunch of bog warriors, divide them into two teams, give them sticks, and send them out onto the field. When the referee throws a little ball onto the playing field, the men get to chop at each other with their sticks until (quite by accident) the ball goes through an upright at either end. When this happens, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth--apparently so that the wives and the clergy will think the ball had something meaningful to do with the hacking, slashing, smashing, and bashing on the field. Eventually, one side is declared the winner, and everyone who is still capable of going to the pub does so.

Webstral

[Targan]

Thanks for moving this discusion to its own thread Kato

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Targan

Thanks for moving this discusion to its own thread Kato

No problem

11 OT posts made it seem pretty obvious.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Targan

kind of like rugby (the sport played in heaven)

Amen from the Northern Hemisphere...

Is this a good time to mention the fact that Scotland beat the Wallabies (for the first time in 29 years)?

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Is this a good time to mention the fact that Scotland beat the Wallabies (for the first time in 29 years)?

Absolutely its a good time. When it comes to rugby I'm a New Zealander . A New Zealander of Scots descent I might add...

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Targan

Absolutely its a good time. When it comes to rugby I'm a New Zealander . A New Zealander of Scots descent I might add...

Sorry, forgot you were from the land of the long white cloud...

Have seen Scotland play the All Blacks a couple of times at Murrayfield...awesome sportsmen who seem to have the knack of being able to step up a gear whenever required.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Is this a good time to mention the fact that Scotland beat the Wallabies (for the first time in 29 years)?

We thought we'd better give you lot a taste of victory or you'd just give up trying. Is once in a generation enough?

[Cdnwolf]

Once more wimpy summer sports... try it with -30 C temperatures and winds howling and zero visibility... then you have a real sport.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

Once more wimpy summer sports... try it with -30 C temperatures and winds howling and zero visibility... then you have a real sport.

Meh... at least you'll get warm with all that running to and fro.
Try the same thing here in summer with 47-50 C and 70-80% humidity when we play our "wimpy summer sports"
For a rough translation for the USA, I think 48 C is equal to 100 F

[kato13]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

I think 48 C is equal to 100 F

Closer to 118 F

[Ronin84]

I'll leave it to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tGY-VDx3o

[Targan]

The tests in that YouTube video should have used two roughly equal athletes, not some amateur rugby player vs a professional NFL quarterback. How is that a fair assessment?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Targan

The tests in that YouTube video should have used two roughly equal athletes, not some amateur rugby player vs a professional NFL quarterback. How is that a fair assessment?

And they should have used equal tests for a comparison rather than the two different types. I have no doubt that a professional rugby player who hard-charged that dummy could have generated a similar force or that a gridiron player could have been just as successful at slamming the rugby player down onto the ground.
The show itself was a little too high-gloss, high-tech wank, sensationalist for my tastes.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Targan

The tests in that YouTube video should have used two roughly equal athletes, not some amateur rugby player vs a professional NFL quarterback. How is that a fair assessment?

I agree the tests should have been more standardized, but they probably did not want the expense of flying in a Rugby pro. However the fact that the used a cornerback, which is generally the smallest (non kicking) player means that the highend power ratings of the NFL players might have been even higher.

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

and what the hell is Real Hockey? Figure skating? Oh I see now... the girls sport... field hockey!!

Figure skating.....good one m8

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

No, real men do really dangerous things -- like tell a girlfriend they're breaking up with that they're an insane bitch...ouch!

That's what textmessages are for on a cell phone.

[Legbreaker]

I'm certainly not suprised that the force of the rugby player was less. Afterall, they were really just lifting their oponent of the ground and putting them down again.
The gridiron player was putting his entire effort into slamming into the dummy with virtually no regard for avoiding injury due to the helmet and padding. He also gets to run off the field every few minutes and have a rest while the offensive team take over.
A rugby player is on the field for the entire game. Depending on which grade they're in, etc they might get lucky and the team gets to change maybe three players total throughout the game (40 minute halves if my memory serves). There are no breaks for television adds, there are no breaks for the change in teams, there are no time outs, it's a pure forty full minutes of smashing into each other over and over again.
Rugby league, a very similar game to rugby union is basically the same situation. Padding is minimal, a little on the shoulders and the occasional man might wear a head protection (a lighter version seen worn by amateur boxers).

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by General Pain

That's what textmessages are for on a cell phone.

these lads mean proper spouses married with a vicar or a peace judge or something like that .

Not the paid for variety thaty you cancel your appointment with .

[Ronin84]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I'm certainly not suprised that the force of the rugby player was less. Afterall, they were really just lifting their oponent of the ground and putting them down again.
The gridiron player was putting his entire effort into slamming into the dummy with virtually no regard for avoiding injury due to the helmet and padding. He also gets to run off the field every few minutes and have a rest while the offensive team take over.
A rugby player is on the field for the entire game. Depending on which grade they're in, etc they might get lucky and the team gets to change maybe three players total throughout the game (40 minute halves if my memory serves). There are no breaks for television adds, there are no breaks for the change in teams, there are no time outs, it's a pure forty full minutes of smashing into each other over and over again.
Rugby league, a very similar game to rugby union is basically the same situation. Padding is minimal, a little on the shoulders and the occasional man might wear a head protection (a lighter version seen worn by amateur boxers).

I have played and currently coach high school football here in the states, I have never played Rugby though I do appreciate the athletic talent needed to play.

In your post you stated it's 40 minutes of smashing into each other over and over again. Now as I have said I have never played and really never sat and watched an entire rugby game BUT I don't remember each player being slammed for a full 40 minutes, I remember seeing one guy with the ball getting slammed and a lot of others just chasing. During the "scrum" I believe, and again not trying to flame, I saw guys holding onto each other while the ball is up for grabs.

I have know kids who have gone on played both rugby in college and football in the States and they have told me that they thought american football was much tougher than Rugby.

I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer and I have friends in Australia who swear that Rugby is the toughest sport there is, and I respect there opinion. Either way, enjoy the sport of your choice!

Done because I don't want to get involved in a flame contest of which is better.