Scruffy Weapons

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I thought a thread containing pix and discussions on home-made and or scruffy weapons would be an asset to this forum so here goes.

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That's some straight ass prison shit. I would be embarassed to use that. I would rather use a knife, club, or throw rocks.

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Originally Posted by waiting4something

That's some straight ass prison shit. I would be embarassed to use that. I would rather use a knife, club, or throw rocks.

homemade 12 gage zipgun blasts rocks

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I think I would prefer the 5 barrel shotgun compared to throwing rocks in aduel. - it can pobably be used as club after ammo has been spent

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Originally Posted by headquarters

homemade 12 gage zipgun blasts rocks

lol

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Originally Posted by General Pain

I think I would prefer the 5 barrel shotgun compared to throwing rocks in aduel. - it can pobably be used as club after ammo has been spent

Yeah, assuming it goes bang or doesn't mess you up when it does. Just using those things looks like it may be a duel between sanity and mortality.

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Originally Posted by waiting4something

Yeah, assuming it goes bang or doesn't mess you up when it does. Just using those things looks like it may be a duel between sanity and mortality.

must have stats for dmgto user in case of mishap and info on chance thereof
hehe

evil GM delight..

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Shoots 420 rounds per minute and is belt-fed. The 80-year-old builder got caught and the gun was confiscated by police.

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The Borz (Wolf) is not a specific model of gun. It is the name given to any of the many similar small homemade submachineguns found in the hands of Chechen rebels. It is similar to the Luty SMGs posted earlier in that it is fabricated from whatever materials are available, and usually has an unrifled tube for a barrel. However that doesn't matter much at the short ranges it is intended for. Normally it is used to kill a few Russians quickly in a surprise attack, in order to take their superior firearms.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../3000/3061.htm

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Chechnya’s Homemade Weapons Fuel War
Russian

Rebels are using improvised and home-made weapons to continue their guerrilla war.

By Umalt Dudayev in Grozny (CRS No. 227, 15-Apr-04)

On a chilly day at the beginning of April a short young man wearing a black jacket, jeans and knitted cap pulled right down to his eyes walked briskly through Grozny’s central market. He went up to two Russian officers who were buying cigarettes and beer at a small mud-spattered kiosk.

The young man suddenly pulled out a short-barrelled gun from under his jacket and opened fire on the unsuspecting Russians. Then he dropped his own gun next to the dead bodies and quickly pulled the gun of one officer out from its holster, grabbed a submachine gun lying next to the other and disappeared into a nearby side-street.

When Russian and Chechen security officials arrived at the scene some time later, no one could describe for them what the killer looked like. The only evidence they found was the abandoned Chechen-made Borz – or Wolf – submachine gun.

The Chechen-manufactured Borz is one of a number of weapons, made, reconfigured or repaired in Chechnya, which enable enemies of the Russian military and the pro-Moscow Chechen police force to continue their fight at very low cost. The net result is that even if the Russian authorities were to manage to stop the theft of weapons, or their trade and sale to the rebels, a substantial arsenal will remain in their hands.

The 9-mm submachine gun Borz is an ideal weapon for sudden attacks. It is a small compact gun, whose lightness and ease of use makes up for its poor technical quality.

“This submachine gun has quite poor tactical and technical features,” said Major Anatoly Medvedev, an officer for the Russian intelligence service, the FSB, in Chechnya. “The 9-mm bullets from the Makarov pistol, which the Borz uses, are too powerful for the steel from which the gun’s barrel is made and wear it out quickly. After shooting two or three cartridges, a Borz simply begins to ‘spit’ the bullets out.

“Nonetheless, I would describe this gun as ideal for saboteurs and killers. It has entirely fulfilled its purpose as a weapon used by paramilitary groups of a partisan type. It has a fantastic rate of fire, and once all the bullets have been fired it can simply be thrown away. As far as I know, a Borz costs very little in Chechnya, about 100 US dollars, and its production requires little effort or expense.”

The Borz gun was first produced in 1992 in Grozny’s Krasny Molot factory by the order of the first Chechen president. General Jokhar Dudayev, who personally received the first manufactured weapon bearing the number, 0001. Industrial production of the gun soon stopped due to the lack of good-quality metal and the outbreak of war in 1994. But the homemade manufacture of these weapons has continued up until recently.

Vladimir Semchenko, head of the science department at Moscow’s Central Army Forces Museum of Russia, told IWPR that the main military museum of the country has several Chechen Borz submachine guns in its collection, “One of them was given to our museum as a gift by General Gennady Troshev [who formerly commanded Russian troops in Chechnya]. The exemplars of this gun that we have differ from one another both in their technical features and in appearance, which indicates that they were homemade.”

Adlan Musayev, who used to work at the Krasny Molot factory, said that “only several hundred” Borz guns were produced there but it had spawned many more copies.

Homemade weapons have helped Chechen rebels fight on, particularly in the second conflict that began in 1999. The fighters do not have heavy weaponry but are extremely skilful at fashioning whatever comes to hand into battle arms.

Their guerrilla warfare relies heavily on mines and explosives. Lacking conventional mines, they use unexploded mines and rockets. Sometimes they simply surround the rockets with explosive and blow them up. Often they heat the unexploded weapons over fire and obtain liquid explosive, which they pour into containers, to which they then add metal bolts, nuts and nails to create shrapnel.

The Russian high command, and especially its main spokesman Ilya Shabalkin, has frequently said that its soldiers have found medical syringes at captured militant bases and used this as proof that many fighters are drug addicts. However, it appears that most of these syringes are being used as detonators for mines. De-miners can detect metal objects but do not pick up the presence of plastic syringes.

The guerrillas are also skilled at reusing captured weaponry. Major Medvedev said they had found a heavy machine gun in a militant base in Vedeno in southern Chechnya which had been removed from the turret of an armoured vehicle. “Even those officers who had served in many conflict zones were amazed at what they saw,” he said.

“The fighters put it on a rotating tripod, fixed bicycle handlebars to it, and connected the mechanism of electric trigger to an ordinary battery. As a result they turned it into a very powerful, compact and convenient gun, which is as good as factory-made ones. As the saying in Russia goes, ‘Necessity is the mother of invention’!”

Twenty-three-year-old Iznaur, who fought in the platoon of the famous Chechen commander Hamzat Gelayev, whose death was recently confirmed, reveals another source of weaponry.

“Turning a drive shaft from a KAMAZ truck into a mortar doesn’t take much effort,” he said. “You just need to solder a medium-sized nail to one end of the shaft, and your mortar is ready! All that’s left is to stick it into the ground and you can start shooting. We had several such mortars in our platoon.”

Attempts by pro-independence president Aslan Maskhadov to produce arms in the inter-war period of 1996-9 also created a stock of weaponry that is still being used. Weapons were produced mainly in Grozny at some of the workshops of the half-destroyed Krasnyi Molot and Elektropribor factories and in the third largest city in Chechnya, Argun. The Argun factory mainly produced mortars and grenade launchers.

An FSB officer in Chechnya, who wished to remain anonymous said, “According to our information, before they invaded Dagestan in the summer of 1999, the units of Shamil Basayev and the Arab fighter Khattab received over 250 such mortars and about a thousand auxiliary grenade launchers, which had been manufactured in Argun. Also, in Grozny, Makarov pistols were being made on a territory of a former tram depot. Components were purchased at military factories in Russia.”

Even today in Chechnya one can buy Makarov pistols, refashioned from gas pistols for between 100 and 150 dollars. Makeovers that have an “Ossetian” barrel from North Ossetia are the most popular with the buyers. They are just one part of an arsenal of weaponry that is fuelling the continuing violence in Chechnya.

Umalt Dudayev is a pseudonym of an independent Chechen journalist.

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The BORZ ("Wolf") machine-pistol (due to its dimensions, that's more likely assimilable to a large pistol cabable of selective fire than to a real sub-machinegun or machine-carbine) is clandestinely produced in metal workshops of Chechnya to equip "Self-Defence Forces", partisans and separatist-terrorist formations. The weapon is based on the PPS (Sudaev) WW2-era machine-carbine, and it is a blowback-operated gun. Lock is provided by a return spring.
The barrel is securely fastened to the bolt. With the forward movement, the bolt extracts the cartridge from the magazine and chambers it. The weapon fires from the open bolt, and the bullet is ignited by striking pin. The pressure of solid-reactant gases on the bottom of case retards the blow-back at the moment of the shot, and such principle (the retarded blow-back) made it possible to decrease the mass of the bolt and the recoil.

The receiver group is made of stampet sheet steel. The magazine well and the grip are connected to it by spot welding (or sometimes by screws). The bolt is fixed by screws. The very simple sights are all in one with the receiver group. The cocking handle is top-mounted; the BORZ machine-pistol sometimes features a small up-folding stock to help controlling the weapon while full-automatic firing.
The magazine construction is borrowed from the World War 2 - time German "Schmeisser" MP-40.
A second generation machinepistol-submachinegun, called BORZ-20, has been recently spotted in Chechenya; according to the sources the BORZ-20 is a clone of the Israeli MICRO-UZI, firing from the closed-bolt position and having an higher capacity magazine (40 rounds) that's housed in the grip; a sound suppressor might apparently be attached to this BORZ-20.

Pros of the project: the weapon is compact enough, and the availability of low-capacity magazines allows to carry the weapon concealed and ready to fire. The safe - fire selector switch is placed a position that makes possible to switch the safety off and select semi-auto or full-auto fire while still holding the weapon from the grip, and keeping the finger at the trigger's reach; and, since the cocking handle is placed upside, that can be cocked ambidextrously. Also, the grip of this weapon is reported to be fairly ergonomic, and the elongated magazine well can be hold as a foregrip to allow better control of the weapon in full-autofire. The fore part of the bolt has been engineered with a protrudescence to work as a spent cases deflector, so that such an item is not required as a separate part.

Cons of the project: the offensive capabilities of this weapon in actual combat situations is modest due to its weak cartridge and of the general low quality in manufacture of most existing BORZ machine-pistols (which are for the most part made in clandestinely-made in backyard workshops). The weapon is largely inaccurate in full-autofire, and its short aiming line further decreases the accuracy. Bolt, barrel and sights tend to wear out. The presence of the up-folding butt (in the models that are actually provided with it) doesn't even helps much in aimed fire because its accommodation is actually defective, and it can be partially effective in its function only if kept against the stomach or the thigh. The bolt of this machine-pistol has a very short service life; the safety of the weapon can be engaged only when the bolt is open, and this can lead to accidental discharges if the BORZ is dropped or receives a hit. Reliability is also poor. The dirt normally caused by the shooting can pollute the chamber or the bolt, thus leading to misfires. The tooth of the ejector can often cause the separation of the bullet case collar (or of a piece of the case anyway) that goes stuck in the ejection window, causing jammings or preventing a new round from being chambered. The early opening of bore leads to the ejection of solid-reactant gases inside the receiver group, and this doesn't only causes the rapid overheating of the weapon, but also dirts the striking pin.

-THE HISTORY AND THE CURRENT SITUATION-
The Chechen-manufactured BORZ is one of a number of weapons, made, reconfigured or repaired in Chechnya, which enable enemies of the Russian military and the pro-Moscow Chechen police force to continue their fight at very low cost. The net result is that even if the Russian authorities were to manage to stop the theft of weapons, or their trade and sale to the rebels, a substantial arsenal will remain in their hands.

The 9x18mm BORZ machine-pistol is an ideal weapon for sudden attacks. It is a small compact gun, whose lightness and ease of use makes up for its poor technical quality.

Here are some declarations of Maj. ANATOLY MEDVEDEV, an FSB (Russian Intelligence Service) officer dispatched to Chechenya:
"This machine-pistol has quite poor tactical and technical features. The 9x18mm bullets from the Makarov pistol, used in the BORZ, are too powerful for the steel from which the gun’s barrel is made and wear it out quickly. After shooting two or three cartridges, a Borz simply begins to ‘spit’ the bullets out. Nonetheless, I would describe this gun as ideal for saboteurs and killers. It has entirely fulfilled its purpose as a weapon used by paramilitary groups of a partisan type. It has a fantastic rate of fire, and once all the bullets have been fired it can simply be thrown away. As far as I know, a BORZ costs very little in Chechenya, about 100 US Dollars, and its production requires little effort or expense".

The BORZ machine-pistol was first produced in 1992 in Grozny’s Krasny Molot factory by the order of the first Chechen president. General Jokhar Dudayev, who personally received the first manufactured weapon bearing the number, 0001. Industrial production of the gun soon stopped due to the lack of good-quality metal and the outbreak of war in 1994. But the homemade manufacture of these weapons has continued up until recently.

VLADIMIR SEMCHENKO, head of the science department at Moscow’s Central Army Forces Museum of Russia, declares that the main military museum of the country has several Chechen BORZ machine-pistols in its collection:
"One of them was given to our museum as a gift by General Gennady Troshev [who formerly commanded Russian troops in Chechenya]. The exemplars of this gun that we have differ from one another both in their technical features and in appearance, which indicates that they were homemade".

ADLAN MUSAYEV, formerly employed at the Krasny Molot factory, declares:
"Only an handful of huntdeds of BORZ machine-pistols were produced there but it had spawned many more copies. As far as I recall, in two military campaigns the only weapon the extremists have managed to develop and start makeshift production of is the primitive BORZ machine-pistol."

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quote:Obviously homemade. Found it on a Russian site with no comment attached so I don't know its history. Looks like it was designed for maximum concealability without sacrificing firepower. The magazine actually forms the grip, which is interesting.

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If firearms can be made in prison, under the very nose of the state, it leaves no doubt as to how easy it is. Why some people think that outlawing guns will keep them from being made in the outside world is a real mystery to me.



Double barreled Shotgun:
"made from iron bedposts; charge made of pieces of lead from curtain tape and match-heads, to be ignited by AA batteries and a broken light bulb. On May 21, 1984 two inmates of a prison in Celle, Germany, took a jailer as a hostage, showed off their fire power by letting go at a pane of bullet-proof glass (bottom right), and escaped by car."

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Double-barreled Pistol:
"This gun was found along with other homemade firearms in the cell of two Celle prison inmates on November 15, 1984. The weapons had been made in the prison’s metal workshop. They were loaded with pieces of steel and match-heads."

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Four Shot Pistol:
"A 4-barrel zip gun found on the shelves of the Kingston Penitentiary library on October 1945. The trigger, now missing, was a clasp from an overshoe."

added this one to:

Shiv:
"disguised as a wooden crucifix; found in an inmate’s cell in Wolfenbüttel prison, Germany, sometime around 1994; intended for use in an escape or as a general weapon. At that time a lot of crucifixes were fashioned in prison woodshops until jailers finally figured out their true purpose.[/quote]

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Take a look at the example below. It's a simple homemade 12 gauge shotgun that only has two moving parts -- the trigger, and the bolt which is released when the trigger is pulled, slamming forward under force of a spring to fire the shell. Of course, if you don't have a gun it's likely you don't have shotgun shells either, in that case you could do away with the bolt and trigger entirely and make it into a hand cannon with no moving parts at all, using matchheads for gunpowder and a rocket igniter or a piece of steel wool with a 9V battery to set it off.

If you shot a bunch of airsoft pellets out of it though, even using a lot of gunpowder, it would be completely useless as a defensive or hunting weapon. You'd have to put something fairly heavy in it, like nails, rocks or fishing weights.

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Its homemade, except for receiver from IZH-18 or IZH-K.
12 cal barrel from 2 different D pipes
Somewhere Russia north

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