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How many troops were in Europe during the peak of the cold war?
Or at least from say '81 to '88, roughly?
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The source is Military Technology Magazine Issue 12 "The Military Balance 1983/84"
Stationed in Europe Military personnel (all branches) NATO: 1,764,000 US: 222,000 USSR: 871,000 WP: 843,000 total of 1,744,000 Total Manpower in Uniform NATO: 2,855,000 US: 2,136,000 USSR: 5,050,000 WP: 1,018,000 Total Reserves (all services) NATO: 4,390,000 US: 955,000 USSR: 5,000,000 WP: 1,718,000 Divisions... In Europe and manned in peacetime: NATO: 23 armored, 22 2/3 mech and 39 1/3 other (AB, AA, Inf, Marine) US: 2 1/3 armd, 2 1/3 mech, 1/3 other (AB task and ACRs) USSR: 16 tank, 27 motor rifle WP: 15 tank, 25 motor rifle, 2 other Manned and available for immediate reinforcement: NATO: 1 2/3 mech, 2 1/2 other US: 1 2/3 armd, 2 2/3 mech, 2 1/3 other USSR: 8 tank, 12 motor rifle, 5 other WP: 1 2/3 tank Extra divs available on mobilizing reserves: NATO: 1/3 armd, 16 mech, 15 other US: 3 1/3 armd, 3 2/3 mech, 8 1/3 other USSR: 16 tank, 30 motor rifle WP: 13 motor rifle
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So here is what military balance had to say about ground forces equipment:
NATO would field roughly 20,722 tanks (5,000 US) WP would field roughly 44,690 tanks (32,200 USSR) In artillery and MRLs, NATO fields 8,996 (562 US) WP fields 21,830 (15,000 USSR) SSM Launchers NATO has 300 (144 US) WP has 1,337 (1,002 USSR) Antitank Guns NATO fields 946 (0 US) WP fields 3,674 (3,339 USSR) ATGM (crew served) NATO fields 2,080 (700 US) WP fields 2,172 (672 USSR) AA Guns NATO fields 6,062 (120 US) WP 6,886 (3,986 USSR) SAM launchers NATO fields 2,103 (180 US) WP 6,293 (4,893 USSR)
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Just flipping through Military Balance 1983/84 and musing on just how many nukes were floating around back then.
The US had: 264 Trident C-4 SLBM (8x100KT warheads) 304 Poseidon C-3 SLBM (10x50KT warheads) 450 Minuteman II ICBM (1 2MT warhead, some sources claim 1.75MT) 550 Minuteman III ICBM (3x170KT or 3 335KT warheads) 45 Titan II ICBM (1x9MT warhead) 90 B-52H (SAC nuclear-ready bombers) 151 B-52G (tagged as conventional bombers, but can carry cruise missiles) 56 FB-111A (SAC nuclear-ready bombers) 1,140 AGM-69A SRAM (1x200KT warhead) 200 nuclear armed Tomahawk cruise missiles (1x200KT warhead) 108 Pershing I IRBM 1x60-400KT warhead) 72 Lance SSM (1x50KT warhead) the M-110 203mm can fire 1KT, 2KT, or 0.5KT shells the M-109 155mm can fire 2KT, 0.5KT or 4-5KT shells The USSR had: 20 SS-N-20 SLBM (6-9x200KT?) 224 SS-N-18 SLBM (3x200KT or 1x450KT or 7x200KT) 286 SS-N-8 SLBM (1x1MT or 1x800KT) 12 SS-N-17 SLBM (1x1MT est) 438 SS-N-5 SLBM (1x1MT) 550 SS-11 ICBM (1x1MT or 3 100-300KT) 60 SS-13 ICBM (1x750KT) 150 SS-17 SLBM (4x750KT or 1x6MT or 4x2KT) 308 SS-18 ICBM (1x20MT or 8x900KT or 10x500KT or 10x750KT) 330 SS-19 ICBM 6x550KT or 1x5MT or 6x550KT) 16 SS-5 IRBM (1x1MT) 360 SS-20 IRBM (1x1.5MT or 3x150KT) 223 SS-4 MRBM (1x1MT) 100 Tu-95 Bear (nuclear-mission bombers) 43 Mya-4 Bison (nuclear-mission bombers) 220 Tu-16 Badger G (nuclear-mission bombers) 125 Tu-22 Blinder (nuclear-mission bombers) 110 Tu-22M Backfire (nuclear-mission bombers) 1,500 FROG/Scud/Scaleboard SSM (can be armed with nuclear warheads) (SSMs carried 1x200KT) The UK had: 64 Polaris A-3 SLBM (3x200KT) France had: 84 M-20 SLBM (1x1MT) 18 SSBS S-3 IRBM (1x1MT) 34 Mirage IVA (nuclear-mission bombers) 46 Pluton SSM (can be armed with nuclear warheads) (1x10KT)
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That's a lot of nukes - and it doesn't seem to cover the air dropped/free fall types or the artillery fired types.
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As for the air dropped bombs, there has never been any sort of reasonable count, they would range from 5KT to 15MT. Perhaps one of the issues that I've always had about T2K was the whole idea of a limited nuclear exchange. Reading the RL non-classified material one gets the impression that both sides were more than willing to escalate (rapidly) once the first nuke was used.
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Strategic nuclear weapons delivery systems (1985)
Land-based ICBM US 450: Minuteman II (450 warheads) 250: Minuteman III (750 warheads) 300: Minuteman III (Mk. 12A) (900 warheads) 045: Titan II (45 warheads) USSR 260: SS-11 (260 warheads) 260: SS-11 Mod 3 (780 warheads) 060: SS-13 (60 warheads) 030: SS-17 Mod 2 (30 warheads) 120: SS-17 Mod 3 (480 warheads) 308: SS-18 (2,208 warheads) 060: SS-19 Mod 2 (60 warheads) 300: SS-19 Mod 3 (1,800 warheads) Sea-based SLBM US 304: Poseidon C-3 (3,040 warheads) 264: Trident I C-4 (2,112 warheads) USSR 048: SS-N-5 (48 warheads) (* Intermediate missile range) 628: SS-N-6 (628 warheads) 289: SS-N-8 (289 warheads) 012: SS-N-17 (12 warheads) 224: SS-N-18 (1,680 warheads) 020: SS-N-20 (200 warheads) UK 064: Polaris A-3 (800 warheads) France 012: M-4 (72 warheads) 080: M20 (80 warheads) Strategic Bombers US 272. B-52D/G/H (2,570 warheads including 200+ ALCM) USSR 100: Tu-95 (200 warheads) 045: M-4 (90 warheads) |
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Intermediate nuclear weapons delivery systems (1985)
Land-based US 108: Pershing II (108 warheads) 464: GLCM (464 warheads) (* by 1988) USSR 223: SS-4 (223 warheads) 016: SS-5 (16 warheads) 360: SS-20 (1,080 warheads) France 018: SSBS-S-3 (18 warheads) Sea-based US 900: SLCM (900 warheads) (* by 1987) 400: Poseidon/Trident warheads (* Declared to NATO) USSR 030: SS-N-13 (30 warheads) Bombers US 056: FB-111A (336 warheads) 156: F-111E/F (936 warheads) USSR 500: Tu-16 165: Tu-22 180: Tu-22M ** Unknown number of warhaeds but well over 1,000 warheads and air launched missiles) France 033: Mirage IVA (33 warheads) Last edited by RN7; 09-25-2011 at 08:36 PM. |
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Tactical nuclear delivery systems
180: Pershing 1A missiles (72 German Air Force) (* US Pershing IA being replaced by Pershing II) 097: Lance missile (US, British, German, Italian, Dutch & Belgian armies) 090: Honest John missile (Greek & Turkish armies) 044: Pluton missile (French Army) NATO Tactical nuclear stock pile in Europe 2,250: Artillery shells 1,850: Free-fall bombs 0,700: Nike Hercules SAM 0,300: Atomic mines 0,400: ASW weapons ** Excluding British owned warheads, all warheads in US custody British Army 012: Lance Missiles (* over 60 Lance missiles held in stock) 116: SP Artillery weapons |
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Or the "backpack" nukes the ADM guys had. (Is there still an ADM MOS anymore?)
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