Land Ownership in Cantonment

[kalos72]

One of the guys said what if some local decides he "owns" 10 square miles of land and starts trying to sell it to others and become a real estate tycoon?

I say make everything not currently being used by someone, "state" owned. Then the group/government can divide it out as needed/wanted.

If "John" and his family want to farm, they apply for land in a land grant style program. Sort of tying in the "manor system" we came up with awhile back.

Its a way to put the refugees in South Texas to work while supporting themselves and securing the area.

[Targan]

I think that both MILGOV and CIVGOV would try to follow due process in government resumption of land, at the very least doing it under whatever relevant rules of martial law they could apply, or giving any original owner who asked a receipt at the very least. In areas not nominally under CIVGOV or MILGOV control, pretty much any system of land seizure and redistribution could exist.

[kalos72]

I think our guys were thinking that if you were working a plot of land, you now own it. But if it's open at the time the "state" takes control of an area, it becomes state property.

Then they can control usage and such.

Now if your living in the only working foundry for 1000 miles then thats obviously a situation they would be moved to a new location. But they would be treated fairly I think.

Has anyone thought about land ownership in their campaigns?

[Raellus]

There are lots of interesting legal precedents in American history for how 'vacated' and/or occupied land is dealt with by local and federal governments.

It depends on what the governments' goals are. When the government has wanted to encourage growth, you've got legislation like the Homestead Act. When the government wants land for its own uses, there's Imminent Domain. Then you've got stuff like sharecropping and the crop lien system. I think that you'd see a mix of these things depending on the local security and infrastructure situations.

I'm not sure how the law deals with squatters. As I said before, I think it would depend on the local situation. In a very depopulated area that the government is trying to 'civilize' squatting as a means of establishing future legal property rights might be encouraged. In other areas, the government might resort to forcibly evicting people it claims are squatting. A survival book I just got at Costco today recommended hanging on to legal documents proving property rights/ownership during an apocalyptic scenario in case civilization is restored someday.

[Webstral]

I would say that it depends entirely upon the policy of the leadership of the local trigger pullers. I suppose this is not particularly different than it is now. In 2000, the leadership can bypass the nuisance of the courts.

In SAMAD, for instance, pre-war ownership is a dead letter. People are settled on whatever land is deemed suitable for intensive agriculture. People are housed according to need as perceived by the Huachuca command. As the situation stabilizes somewhat, the civilian population begins to chafe under martial law.

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by Webstral

In SAMAD, for instance, pre-war ownership is a dead letter. People are settled on whatever land is deemed suitable for intensive agriculture. People are housed according to need as perceived by the Huachuca command. As the situation stabilizes somewhat, the civilian population begins to chafe under martial law.

Who's in charge there, the ghost of Joe Stalin?

[kalos72]

SAMAD is the closest thing I can find to my campaigns really...

Once things settle down some in an area my guys are still sold on the land grant idea or approach.

"We need more food production in Victoria. Offer local refugees 40 acres and a mule to work the land, giving Victoria half of the production. For as long as they work it productively, they own it. Assuming they keep their citizenship and don't break the laws."

But other then that, everything is owned by the "state" first.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/o...articles/mpl01

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by Webstral

In SAMAD, for instance

OK, I gotta ask, what is this SAMAD? I've seen many posts over the past couple years using this acronym, and the only results I've found with google are that it's an Arabic male name.
Inquiring minds would like to know.

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by Raellus

A survival book I just got at Costco today recommended hanging on to legal documents proving property rights/ownership during an apocalyptic scenario in case civilization is restored someday.

not a bad idea, I'm thinking more along the lines of hurricanes, floods, tornado, earthquakes though. may be a good idea to keep multiple copies, paper and digital (uploaded to the cloud like dropbox or google docs etc)

whats the name of the book?

[kalos72]

We have four copies of anything important actually:
one hard copy in a fireproof/waterproof safe
one on CD
one on flash drive
and one at the inlaws house

Even the FEMA website will help you decide what to keep and how for any sort of emergency.

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by boogiedowndonovan

whats the name of the book?

It's called The Ultimate Survival Manual by Rich Johnson & the editors of Outdoor Life magazine. It covers a lot of ground and it's lavishly illustrated throughout with color photos, diagrams, etc. It was $15.99 at Costco but the cover price is $25. I have a couple of other survival manual type books but this one is by far the most fun to thumb through.

[Webstral]

SAMAD stands for Southeastern Arizona Military Administrative District. The three counties of southeastern Arizona--Pima, Santa Cruz, and Cochise--are under the control of the military leadership of Fort Huachuca from 1998 onward. Civilian government still exists, after a fashion. The real decisions get made at Fort Huachuca, however.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Webstral

SAMAD stands for Southeastern Arizona Military Administrative District. The three counties of southeastern Arizona--Pima, Santa Cruz, and Cochise--are under the control of the military leadership of Fort Huachuca from 1998 onward. Civilian government still exists, after a fashion. The real decisions get made at Fort Huachuca, however.

A lot of Web's stuff can be found here

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=773#t2k_web