It's 2014........ What do you add to the V-150?

[ArmySGT.]

Ok.... So we have come a long way since 3rd edition was printed. What are some things you have added to the V-150 as standard equipment?

The Hi-rail system to operate on rail road tracks?

A better MorrowNav?

A computer workstation?

An onboard water purification system that give hot and cold water inside and outside?

A hydraulic PTO to run Jaws of life, car jacks, saws?

A modular hitch system to use either military pintles or civilian ball.

Thermal sights.

CCTV systems?

Mast mounted surveillance ball?

External OC pepper spray crowd dispersal system?

A toilet and sink?

[mmartin798]

I would add an improved computer: Multi-core, SSD, high performance GPU. Then you would have a number of LCD displays at the various stations that can be user selected to a number of video inputs.

Improve the Autonav to use the LCDs and maps stored on the computer in conjunction with A-GPS and the inertial guidance.

Might as well add a camera/sensor pod of some kind to take advantage of the LCDs and some computational photography with the computer.

While water purification would be neat, I think that is better handled with a trailer for large scale purification. Ceramic filters work for just the team needs.

I do like the pepper spray idea.

[ArmySGT.]

[stormlion1]

Actually I would go for less Hi-Tech equipment myself. Newer gear will break more easily and something like GPS would be useless as satellites were destroyed or there not being enough of them to get a good signal. About all I would add is a Laptop for all the maps and books with a charger mounted inside to keep it powered as well as any other equipment it could be used for.

[mikeo80]

Better Nav system is ALWAYS a good idea. Of course, there is always a problem of D+150 years.

I agree with others, internal based navigation would be better that GPS. Even if TMP comes up Day + 5 years, satellites will have shifted, or destructed, precluding accurate tracking.

The High Rail system is an interesting idea. I just might include this in a future game. THanks!!!

One thing that strikes me as I write this. Something as simple as a sextant. PROVEN technology. Does not require fancy electronics. You can use the input function of the Nav System to accept sextant readings.

Just A thought.

My $0.02

Mike

[nuke11]

My first thought is replace it with a LAV-300 or LAV-300 Mk II or one of the new ones from today Commando Advanced, Commando Elite or the Commando Select.

But if it is to stay update a few things like use the space from the fuel tanks for water storage (never did understand why this wasn't done in the 1st place). More modern electronics and computers. Navigation can still be inertial, but supplemented with other forms.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by stormlion1

Actually I would go for less Hi-Tech equipment myself. Newer gear will break more easily and something like GPS would be useless as satellites were destroyed or there not being enough of them to get a good signal. About all I would add is a Laptop for all the maps and books with a charger mounted inside to keep it powered as well as any other equipment it could be used for.

Actually, if we think about this in the framework of the Project working as planned, we can assume GPS in a short period of time. Canon says Morrow has a satellite in orbit. It is not a bit stretch to say they might have a small GPS network up and by using A-GPS, the team doesn't need to have a fix on three satellites if a terrestrial signal is available. Repair and refit some cell towers in operational areas and you have the GPS running pretty well.

I was assuming mil-spec systems be installed. They are pretty robust and a vehicle mounted system would be much faster than a laptop for things like popping up the pod from cover in the pre-dawn and in less than a minute having a series of photo that look like they were taken around noon.

[stormlion1]

Main problem is that after a nuclear exchange there is a good chance there may only be a few surviving satellites in orbit. Many nukes would be used to destroy military satellites, civilian communication satellites, and anything that could be repurposed. Even things that weren't a target would suffer radiation damage from nearby explosions. Its why the Project had plans to launch new satellites after they woke up. To replace the stuff they lost. Still a good idea though to have local maps and know how to read them.

[ArmySGT.]

Ok...... For starters......... Incinolet toilet. This replaces that odd one man station behind the engine near the rear door. Privacy curtain and like a prison toilet a handwashing sink above.

Inertial Location system. These do not need GPS or Loran. Input where it is manually or start from an unknown. An inertial system can tell you your exact route, exact speed, and direction of travel (in degrees) so you can exactly retrace a route. An inertial system can tell you distance and degrees from any known point (forward observer) or from a stored waypoint. A ring laser gyro inside keeps it on track.

On board compressor and reserve tank. The Project was meant for recovery. A large number of air driven tools will work great at 125 psi some need more. Inflatable lifting bags to move debris, air drive ratchets to dismantle things, fill dive tanks, inflate a zodiac, inflatable shelters, nail guns to build shelters etc.

CCTV with the bullet resistant windows that have been fielded as part of armor upgrades for urban combat in Iraq. These look like classic periscope blocks except behind each is a megapixel day/night camera that can be seen from any station in the vehicle. The crew can retain 360 awareness even with all hatches closed and locked.

Pepper fog. External spigots make a short range, 360 degree, irritant cloud of oleoresin of capsicum (OC) spray. The burning sensation to the eyes, nose, throat, and skin would force hostiles back from the vehicle without lethal force or the Team exposing themselves to danger.

Hot and cold water taps that draw from a onboard reserve of water. This water is draw into tank A by means of a low voltage water pump and 20 meters of hose with a float at the intake to keep it out of bottom mud. The water is filtered for debris, and contaminants through a ceramic filter. Water is drawn from tank A into a boiler and raised to extreme temperatures killing viruses, bacteria, and rendering chemical inert. From the boiler water goes to tank be to be drawn into an electric chiller for cold drinks or electric heater for hot water on demand.

Foam filled tires....... high density foam replaces air in the tires. The foam has the cushioning effect of a pneumatic tire without the bother of flat tires. Nothing can be done for tread wear but broken glass, rebar, and nails are not problems forcing the Team to dismount in every town.

[mikeo80]

[QUOTE=ArmySGT.;60108]Inertial Location system. These do not need GPS or Loran. Input where it is manually or start from an unknown. An inertial system can tell you your exact route, exact speed, and direction of travel (in degrees) so you can exactly retrace a route. An inertial system can tell you distance and degrees from any known point (forward observer) or from a stored waypoint. A ring laser gyro inside keeps it on track.

I always thought that is what the AutoNav was for. It was programed with the exact location of the bolt hole and the supply caches. Yes the road maps and water locations are probably WRONG, but THAT mountain over there has not moved in unknown MILLIONS of years.

My $0.02

Mike

[mmartin798]

[QUOTE=mikeo80;60117]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Inertial Location system. These do not need GPS or Loran. Input where it is manually or start from an unknown. An inertial system can tell you your exact route, exact speed, and direction of travel (in degrees) so you can exactly retrace a route. An inertial system can tell you distance and degrees from any known point (forward observer) or from a stored waypoint. A ring laser gyro inside keeps it on track.

I always thought that is what the AutoNav was for. It was programed with the exact location of the bolt hole and the supply caches. Yes the road maps and water locations are probably WRONG, but THAT mountain over there has not moved in unknown MILLIONS of years.

My $0.02

Mike

You are correct, Mike. The Autonav is described as an inertial navigation system. That would make the Autonav an inertial location system as well, since they operate identically. The gyros inside monitor all the acceleration forces on the Autonav, and obviously the vehicle it is attached to, and uses that information to update the current location from a known starting point. One thing to remember is that these systems do have a little drift over time and need to be reset every so often for accurate navigation. This is why one of the uses for Landsat-01 in Operation Lonestar is to "pinpoint their location on the ground, a good check for the autonav systems." This need to correct the accumulated errors in the autonav is important and fairly easy for the team initially. The autonav knows where the caches are. Visit one and update to say you are there. Harder to do if you are taking an extended road trip where known landmarks may be harder to find or just plain gone.

[bobcat]

aside from the standard Vehicle load out my favorite field mods is to layer a tarp and a camo net together. attach one side to the vehicle, roll in some tent stakes and poles, repeat on the other side and back and you can have a good bivouac within a few minutes of stopping.

include the world war two classic hedge trimmers to the front and some IR filtered spotlights and a few watercan mounts to hold the teams rucksacks on the outside of the vehicle and you have a lot less problems with mobility, night visibility, and storage.

[ArmySGT.]

Anyone add a MK III laser without fusion power pack, vehicle mode only?

CB/Fire/EMS/all band scanner

drop the M21 sniper rifle, add mossberg 500/590 with non lethal rubber rounds.

white/IR smoke dischargers.

NBC detector/sampler/alarm

IED threat defeat all bands transmitter jammer "Warlock"

LASER designator threat warning receiver

RADAR threat warning receiver.

Cellular phone and repeater antenna.

Battle fax / teletype.

aft ring mount station over the rear door for GPMGs.

Double hull floor IED defeat system

"Iron Fist" AT missile kinetic kill/defeat system

CCTV telescoping mast for recon.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

NBC detector/sampler/alarm

All this time and I missed the fact that such a system was never actually listed? I guess all these years I will have to assume my teams must have duct taped a spare CBR to the outside of one of the view ports.

[ArmySGT.]

I have considered an NBC recon variant V-150...... much like the Fox NBC vehicle.........

What a one to get.......150 years to late.

[ArmySGT.]

How about 66mm smoke grenade launchers? Notice the 3rd edition vehicles do not have them.

Also besides smoke, the launcher can also fire out fragmentation, OC pepper, non lethal rubber pellet grenades, CS grenades, flash/bang/whistle distraction devices, and ground flares.

[nuke11]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

How about 66mm smoke grenade launchers? Notice the 3rd edition vehicles do not have them.

Also besides smoke, the launcher can also fire out fragmentation, OC pepper, non lethal rubber pellet grenades, CS grenades, flash/bang/whistle distraction devices, and ground flares.

You mean like these? Got that covered along time ago.

http://www.thesupplybunker.net/pdf/launchers.pdf

[ArmySGT.]

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[Project_Sardonicus]

Of course the interesting thing is the v150 is pretty poor as a choice for a couple of reasons. Probably predominantly the lack of NBC gear, surely there wouldn't be an expectation the recon teams would be rolling around perpetually in full NBC gear. Over all it's a primitive design.

I think the purpose of the V150 for the project would be 3 fold.

Get the recon team discreetly to where they're supposed to be.
Be on call for MARS if they need to form a light armoured division.
Get the team away quickly from any threat.

So there's lots of stuff it would need; full NBC seeling including some sort of external airlock and shower, internal chemical toilet, water tank etc.
A system for driving at night, probably just a basic light amplifying periscope to prevent to much eye and head strain from wearing pnvs-5

One advantage that a battery powered vehicle would have is it's quiet, like the current stryker and comparatively cool to thermal imagers at night it could be almost invisible


There's a lot of stuff it wouldn't have. Extensive armaments, or specialized armour,or anything that made it look especially threatening. Or more to the point encouraged the team to roll up in the vehicle and intimidate the locals.

Historically a lot of countries have chosen to arm their recon vehicles as lightly as possible to encourage them not to get into scraps. And from armoured trains, to Tigers and Abrahams tanks no individual armoured vehicle has ever been truly secure from satchel charges, molotov cocktails or even washing bags on the viewing slots.

A final thought is the specialist teams, medical, scientific etc may actually actively choose to avoid armoured combat vehicles. Precisely because they don't want to be drafted by MARS. If they have trucks and hummers they may be of little use to them.

[ArmySGT.]

How about yellow strobe lights and directional arrows (Left or Right) on the rear?

Since these were expected to be in use in the 3-5 year plan. Atleast the ARV.

[Matt W]

A bullhorn

A good spotting scope plus tripod

Digital cameras

Tablets (ipads or Android equivalents)

[mmartin798]

Systems needed to connect the teams and team members in a system similar to the DISA: Radios, computers, software... Though given the compartmentalization of MP, the system won't do much good until a regional base is involved, if then.

[.45cultist]

Mauser has a 25MM recoil operated auto cannon to retrofit the Rh202 in vehicles., A "growler" to disguise the quiet fusion system and a "smoker" option. Both can be turned on or off, yet won't cause nuke shy survivors to wonder what's under the hood. The last is with the 5 year plan in mind.

[rob]

One also forgot the microwave oven and refrigerator with the beer! LOL!

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by rob

One also forgot the microwave oven and refrigerator with the beer! LOL!

Why not? A 50Kw fusion plant leaves power to spare.

[.45cultist]

A heated water system for the dehydrated rations, tea, coffee(instant or those Folgers individual bags).

[stormlion1]

A heated water system could also be used to heat water for a shower on occasion too.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by stormlion1

Actually I would go for less Hi-Tech equipment myself. Newer gear will break more easily and something like GPS would be useless as satellites were destroyed or there not being enough of them to get a good signal. About all I would add is a Laptop for all the maps and books with a charger mounted inside to keep it powered as well as any other equipment it could be used for.

Flash drives and the like would allow quite a reference library for the teams.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Matt W

A bullhorn

A good spotting scope plus tripod

Digital cameras

Tablets (ipads or Android equivalents)

All these are great but, what about something that is part of the MP vehicle that becomes a part of it and maybe makes it better?

[RandyT0001]

Dual water jets for higher speeds and greater maneuverability in the water. Three miles per hour in calm conditions turns into real slow with any chop. Water jets that increase speeds to 8-15 mph would be a big help in crossing rivers.