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01-08-2009, 04:37 AM
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Western Mediterranean OOB
There was little information on that part of the world but someone put some element at some point and of course I collected it. As a result, I came up with something that I use as a base for my own.
First there is Italy Italian Army Tenente-Colonello Roberto Falvi 1st Italian Army 1st Aviation Group Railway Engineer Regiment 1st Anti-Aircraft Command 1st Chemical Battalion III Corps – Milan Centauro Infantry Division (Mechanized) Cremona Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Corps Troops 4th Infantry Battalion 7th Infantry Battalion 3rd Aviation Group 3rd Artillery Group (155mm Towed) 3rd Anti-Aircraft Group 3rd Engineer Battalion IV Alpini Corps – Bolzano Cadore Alpini Brigade Julia Alpini Brigade Orobica Alpini Brigade Taurinense Alpini Brigade Tredentina Alpini Brigade Corps Troops Aosta Alpini Infantry Battalion Alpini Airborne Company 3rd Armored Cavalry Squadron 4th Aviation Group 4th Artillery Regiment (Heavy) (203mm SP, MLRS) 10th Artillery Battalion (155mm SP) 5th Anti-Aircraft Group 2nd Engineer Battalion 5th Engineer Battalion V Corps - Venice Ariete Armored Division: 4000 troops, 36 Ariete Mantova Infantry Division (Mechanized): 4000 troops, 20 Leopard 1 Folgore Infantry Division (Mechanized): 900 troops, 6 Centauro B-1 Corps Troops 7th Infantry Battalion 48th Infantry Battalion 5th Aviation Group 27th Artillery Regiment (Heavy)(203mm SP, MLRS) 5th Anti-Aircraft Group 1st Engineer Battalion 3rd Engineer Battalion 5th Engineer Battalion 3rd Acquileia SSM Brigade 1st Artillery Battalion (Heavy)(203mm Towed) 9th Artillery Battalion (Heavy)(203mm Towed) 13th commando Battalion Military Region 7 - Florence Folgore Airborne Brigade - Livorno Friuli Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Military Region 8 – Rome Granatieri di Sardegna Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) Acqui Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Military Region 10 – Naples Pinerolo Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) San Marco Marine Battalion Group - Brindsi Military Region 11 – Palermo Aosta Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Notes: Italy maintains a nation police force which is paramilitary (Carabinieri) which numbers approximately 90,000 but is dispersed in Platoon Sized elements throughout the country. Concerning the air force, the OOB is an idea of what could have survived. However, this is based on todays figure and the T2K figures would be highly different: http://www.scramble.nl/airforces.htm. Aeronautica Militare Italiana 4° Stormo Aircraft: 5 F-104, 3 MB-339, 3 Warrior. 31° Stormo Aircraft: 5 G-222, 4 ATR, 2 Defender. 41° Stormo Aircraft: 2 Atlantic, 1 AMX, 1 Warrior. 51° Stormo Aircraft: 4 Tornado, 4 AMX, 3 MB-339, 3 Defender. Marina Stazione Elicotteri Aircrafts: 5 EH-101, 3 A-109 5° Reggimento Aviazione dell' Esèrcito "Rigel" Aircrafts: 2 Do-128-6, 2 Defender, 3 OH-58C, 3 A-129, 5 A-109, 7 AB-212 Last edited by Mohoender; 01-09-2009 at 06:38 AM. 
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01-08-2009, 04:39 AM
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Then there is Spain and Portugal
PORTUGAL & SPAIN Portuguese Army Northern Military Region 1st Infantry Brigade (Composite, 1800 troops, 33 AFV) 1st Special Forces Brigade (800 troops) Spanish Army I Corps (Intervention Force) 1st Brunete Armored Division (4000 troops, 74 AFV) 2nd Guzman el Bueno Infantry Division (Mechanized, 5500 troops) 3rd Maestrazgo Infantry Division (Motorized, 3500 troops) Roger de Lauria Parachute Battalion (350 troops) Ceuta Artillery Brigade (1000 troops, 45 field artillery & AA) Military Region I (Madrid) I Territorial Infantry Brigade (2400 troops) 71st Anti-Aircraft Brigade (1000 troops, 48 AA) Military Region II (Seville) II Territorial Infantry Brigade (2000 troops) Military Region III (Valencia) 6th Artillery Brigade (Mixed, 1700 troops, 35 field artillery) Military Region IV (Barcelona) 4th Urgel Infantry Division (Mountain, 4000 troops, 72 field artillery & AA) Military Region V (Saragossa) Alpine Infantry Brigade (High Altitude, 2000 troops) Military Region VI (Burgos) 6th Navarra Infantry Division (Mountain, 3000 troops, 48 field artillery & AA) Military Region VII (Vallodolid) VII Territorial Infantry Brigade (2400 troops, 12 AFV) Military Region VIII (Coruna) VIII Territorial Infantry Brigade (1500 troops, 15 AFV) Military Region IX IX Territorial Infantry Brigade (1500 troops, 35 AFV) Balearics Command 23rd Infantry Brigade (2100 troops) Los Guardias Civiles de los Ejercito do Madrid Location: Madrid, Seville and other surrounding areas. Manpower: 9,000 Vehicles: 12 EE-9 Cascavels, 100 Commando V-150, 1000 mounted troops) The Guardia Civile is a state police force which mostly patrols the roads and highways, also mounting Trains as need be. They are commanded by Lieutenant-General Manuel de Torres, a man with pale eyes and Brutal tendencies. This force is fairly well disciplined with a good number of experienced personnel. Royal Spanish Air Force FAMET (Fazeras Aero Moviles des Ejercitos do Terra) (Spanish Army Aviation Command) Location: Madrid Manpower: 300 Vehicles: 5 OH-58, 9 CH-47, 24 UH-1 Mando Aviaction Tacticale (Tactical Air Command) Location: Zaragosa, Las Palmas, Tablada Manpower: 550 Vehicles: 2 P-3 Orions, 4 KC-130, 4 C-130 Hercules, 9 C-212 Mando de la Defensa Area (Air Defense Command) Location: Torrejon Manpower: 650 Assets: 4 F-4s, 6 Tornado, 15 F-16s Allied Naval Forces Southwest Royal Spanish Fleet Carrier Principe de Asturias (5 AV-8 Harriers, 6 Seahawk Helicopters) Beleares Class Frigates Cataluna and Extremadura Descubierta Class Frigates Diana and Infanta Cristina Serviola Class Offshore patrol ships Serviola, Centinela, Vigia, Atalaya I have not used this yet and as a result what I use for my own remain very similar to the general archive. Marc, I hope you'll find something interesting out of this. 
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01-08-2009, 04:40 AM
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First WMed archive (made by Fighting Flamingo)
Operations in Western Mediterranean (Summer 1997)
The entry of Italy into the Third World War as part of the Mediterranean Pact on 2 July 1997 in support of her Greek ally left the NATO position in Southern Europe in disarray. Much like the situation which had confronted the Allies during the Second World War, Italy’s geographical position dominating the center of the Mediterranean Basin threatened to sever NATO’s sea lines of communication across to Turkey, Yugoslavia, and Romania. Turkey and Yugoslavia were being supplied with fuel and some munitions by sea, and the were dependent on the sea lanes to support the war effort. Yugoslavia in turn was sending munitions across its border into Romania, to support their resistance to the Warsaw Pact invasion. With Italy’s entry into the war, Yugoslavia’s ports were closed to NATO shipping, and the convoy route to Turkey subject to naval and air attack until the Italian Navy and Air force could be neutralized. When the 1st Italian Army entered into Austria and Yugoslavia, then pressed on into Germany, SACEUR needed to reopen the sea lanes and split Italian Recourses, perhaps even bring the Italian military to a logistical breaking point. CINCAFSOUTH (WEST) had significant forces to bear against the Italians In the form of the I Iberian Corps (an amalgamation of the I Portuguese and I Spanish Corps), the 173rd US Airborne Brigade, and the 8th Marine Regiment, and the Canadian Airborne Regiment. The Italian Army was heavily engaged at the time. The Italian III and V Corps were forcing their way through the Austrian Alps into Bavaria, while the V Corps was advancing through Slovenia attempting to link up with allied Hungarian forces moving into North Eastern Serbia. While resistance was fierce on both fronts, the Italian Army was moving forwards as the bulk of the defending forces were on other fronts and still redeploying to meet the Italian threat. CINCAFSOUTH devised a plan to cripple Italian Naval and Air operations in the Mediterranean. On 29 July 1997 an carefully orchestrated air campaign was unleashed on Italy from Spain, and US Aircraft Carriers. US F117 aircraft operating from Spain attacked the air defense network in Sicily and Sardinia, followed by F111 strike aircraft which attacked airfields up and down the length of the southern half of the Italian Peninsula. US Naval aircraft searched for and attacked the Italian surface fleet. The Spanish and Portuguese Air forces where responsible to attack airfields in Sicily, and Sardinia respectively. Naples, Palermo, Cagliari, and Taranto were subject to attack by a rain of TLAMs. By the end of 2 August, the Italian surface fleet had lost most of its major units, including the Garibaldi which had been struck by no less than 7 Harpoon ASMs before she broke in half when her magazine exploded. What remained of the Italian Surface fleet began moving northward into the Adriatic. Operation Carthaginian Operation Carthaginian began on 1 August with the Airdrop of the US 173rd Airborne Brigade, and the Canadian Airborne Regiment outside of Messina, on Sicily. They were supported by the landing of the 8th US Marine Regiment at Marsala. On the morning of 3 August, the Canadian Airborne had seized the municipal airfield, and a stream of C130 and C17 aircraft began airlifting in the Espana Airmobile Brigade. Italian forces in Sicily were largely centered on the Aosta Infantry Brigade (Motorized) concentrated outside of Palermo, and 1 Brigade of Carabinieri disperced throughout the island in platoon sized formations in almost every town. The morning of 2 August the Iberian Airborne Brigade Group (formed from the Espana, and Portuguese Light Airborne Brigade) dropped on Cagliari’s airfield, and the Portuguese Marine Brigade made an unopposed landing at Alghero, and began moving at once on Sassari. By Evening of the 4th, all Carabinieri resistance had ended on Sardinia. On Sicily, the Aosta Brigade began moving on Messina, ignoring the landing at Marsala. Meanwhile, on the mainland the San Marino Marine Battalion Group attempted an amphibious crossing of the Straits of Massina on the night of 3 August. The Italian Marines where decimated by the American paratroopers who where prepared for that eventuality. Later, at dawn of the 5th the Spanish Marines began landing at Licata, and began advancing towards Syracuse. On the 6th US Marines entered Palermo while greatly reduced Aosta Brigade battered itself to pieces against the American and Canadian paratroopers whom had been digging in to Messina for days. Enroute, the Italian Brigade had been under constant air attack by USMC and Spanish Harrier and USMC Cobra Aircraft. The North Coastal Road became a highway of death. On the mainland, almost immediately the Pinerolo Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) began moving down the coast from Naples to link up with the San Marino Battalion. It too was subject to air attack for the majority of its journey down the coastal road. It was met in Villa San Giovanni by a tactical nuclear strike from the US (100kt) on the 7th, making it very clear to the Italian Government that no reinforcement from the mainland would be possible. This strike marked the end of active combat operations in Sicily, following the strike, the Aosta Brigade surrendered to the NATO Forces on the Island and the Carabinieri had been overwhelmed, having been deployed piecemeal across the Island. The last major Town to fall under NATO control was Catania into which Spanish Marines moved on the 9th. The US and Canadian forces were replaced in the next month by the remainder of the Iberian Corps following the collapse of the Turkish Front, due to the one sided use of nuclear weapons. NATO Operation Carthaginian OOB Sardinia Iberian Airborne Brigade Portuguese Marine Brigade Sicily Spanish Marine Brigade Espana Airmobile Brigade 173rd US Airborne Brigade 8th US Marine Regiment Canadian Airborne Regiment Last edited by Mohoender; 01-09-2009 at 08:48 AM.
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01-08-2009, 04:41 AM
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Second WMed archive
Portuguese Army
I Corps 1st Infantry Brigade (Composite) Cascadores Infantry Bn 1st Special Forces Brigade Light Airborne Brigade Fuzilerios Navais Brigade (Marine Infantry) Northern Military Region Porto Infantry Regiment Chaves Infantry Regiment Vila Real Infantry Regiment Braga Cavalry Regiment Espinho Engineer Regiment Lancer Squadron Central Military Region Abrantes Infantry Regiment Castelo Branco Infantry Regiment Tomer Infantry Regiment Viseu Infantry Regiment Aveiro Infantry Battalion Leira Artillery Battalion Coimbra Lancer Squadron Lisbon Military Region Queluz Infantry Regiment 5th Infantry Battalion Lisboa Artillery Regiment Lisboa Engineer Regiment Lisboa Lancer Regiment Southern Military Region Beja Infantry Regiment Elvas Infantry Regiment Faro Infantry Regiment Estremoz Cavalry Regiment Sul Lancer Squadron Madeira Defence Command Funchal Infantry Regiment 2nd Garrison Artillery Group Funchal Lancer Squadron Azores Defense Command Angro do Heroismo Infantry Regiment 1st Garrision Artillery Group Ponta Delgada Lancer Squadron
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01-08-2009, 04:42 AM
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Third WMed archive
Spanish Army
1 January 1997 I Corps (Intervention Force) 1st Brunete Armored Division 2nd Guzman el Bueno Infantry Division (Mechanized) 3rd Maestrazgo Infantry Division (Motorized) Espana Airborne Brigade Espana Airmobile Brigade Jarama Armored Recon Brigade I Corps Aviation Brigade I Corps Artillery Brigade Military Region I (Madrid) I Territorial Infantry Brigade 71st Anti-Aircraft Brigade Royal Guard Regiment Military Region II (Seville) II Territorial Infantry Brigade Straits Artillery Brigade (Anti-Aircraft) 4th Artillery Brigade (Mixed) Military Region III (Valencia) III Territorial Infantry Brigade 6th Artillery Brigade (Mixed) Military Region IV (Barcelona) 4th Urgel Infantry Division (Mountain) 7th Artillery Brigade (Mixed) 72nd Anti-Aircraft Brigade Military Region V (Saragossa) V Territorial Infantry Brigade Alpine Infantry Brigade (High Altitude) Military Region VI (Burgos) 6th Navarra Infantry Division (Mountain) 1st Artillery Brigade (Mixed) Military Region VII (Vallodolid) VII Territorial Infantry Brigade Military Region VIII (Coruna) VIII Territorial Infantry Brigade 2nd Artillery Brigade (Mixed) 3rd Artillery Brigade (Mixed) Military Region IX IX Territorial Infantry Brigade Ceuta and Melilla Command Canaries and Balearics Command Spanish Marine Brigade Italian Army 1 June 1997 1st Italian Army 1st Aviation Group Railway Engineer Regiment 1st Anti-Aircraft Command 1st Chemical Battalion III Corps – Milan Centauro Infantry Division (Mechanized) Cremona Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Corps Troops 4th Infantry Battalion 7th Infantry Battalion 3rd Aviation Group 3rd Artillery Group (155mm Towed) 3rd Anti-Aircraft Group 3rd Engineer Battalion IV Alpini Corps – Bolzano Cadore Alpini Brigade Julia Alpini Brigade Orobica Alpini Brigade Taurinense Alpini Brigade Tredentina Alpini Brigade Corps Troops Aosta Alpini Infantry Battalion Alpini Airborne Company 3rd Armored Cavalry Squadron 4th Aviation Group 4th Artillery Regiment (Heavy) (203mm SP, MLRS) 10th Artillery Battalion (155mm SP) 5th Anti-Aircraft Group 2nd Engineer Battalion 5th Engineer Battalion V Corps - Venice Ariete Armored Division Mantova Infantry Division (Mechanized) Folgore Infantry Division (Mechanized) Corps Troops 7th Infantry Battalion 48th Infantry Battalion 5th Aviation Group 27th Artillery Regiment (Heavy)(203mm SP, MLRS) 5th Anti-Aircraft Group 1st Engineer Battalion 3rd Engineer Battalion 5th Engineer Battalion 3rd Acquileia SSM Brigade 1st Artillery Battalion (Heavy)(203mm Towed) 9th Artillery Battalion (Heavy)(203mm Towed) 13th commando Battalion Military Region 7 - Florence Folgore Airborne Brigade - Livorno Friuli Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Military Region 8 – Rome Granatieri di Sardegna Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) Acqui Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Military Region 10 – Naples Pinerolo Infantry Brigade (Mechanized) San Marco Marine Battalion Group - Brindsi Military Region 11 – Palermo Aosta Infantry Brigade (Motorized) Notes: Once Italy enters war, IV Alpini Corps begins forcing passes in the Austian Tyrol, to allow III Corps to move into Bavaria and engage NATO forces. V Corps moves to Yugoslav border, then enters Slovenia. The Folgore Airborne Brigade and San Marco Marine Battalion Group are used as raiding forces along the Dalmatian cost. The remaining 4 infantry Brigades from Military Regions 7,8,10, and 11 are dedicated for regional defense within the Italy, and have limited mobility. Italy maintains a nation police force which is paramilitary (Carabinieri) which numbers approximately 90,000 but is dispersed in Platoon Sized elements throughout the country.
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01-08-2009, 04:43 AM
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Fourth WMed archive
Joint Command Southwestern Europe (Subordinate to AFSOUTH)
Allied Air Forces Southwest (Note: all air operations are restricted, and any number of rotary or fixed wing assets could be grounded for lack of fuel or parts) USAF 406th USAF Tactical Support Group Location: Foix, France (7 Kiowa Scouts, 4 AH-64s, 8 OH-58s, 9 UH-60 Blackhawks, 250 USAF personnel) FAMET (Fazeras Aero Moviles des Ejercitos do Terra) (Spanish Army Aviation Command) Location: Madrid Manpower: 300 Vehicles: 5 OH-58, 9 CH-47, 24 UH-1 Mando Aviaction Tacticale (Tactical Air Command) Location: Zaragosa, Las Palmas, Tablada Manpower: 500 Vehicles: 3 KC-130 Refueling Planes, 4 C-130 Hercules, 2 P-3 Orions Mando de la Defensa Area (Air Defense Command) Location: Torrejon Manpower: 600 Vehicles: 4 F-4s, 15 F-16s Allied Naval Forces Southwest Royal Spanish Fleet Carrier Principe de Asturias (5 AV-8 Harriers, 6 Seahawk Helicopters) Beleares Class Frigates Cataluna and Extremadura Descubierta Class Frigates Diana and Infanta Cristina Serviola Class Offshore patrol ships Serviola, Centinela, Vigia, Atalaya Royal Navy Duke Class Frigate Montrose Peacock Class Patrol Ship Plover HMS Gibraltar (Gibraltar Defense Force’s Naval Contingent, consisting of naval radar, signals and weather And radar detachment, harbormaster, one company of Royal Marines and an aviation flight of 3 Lynxes) USN Avenger Class Minesweeper Gladiator Land Forces Southwest Royal Spanish Intervention Force (this is facing the French Rapid Reaction Force, which it has driven back past Toulouse. The 4th Airmobile Division, the 6th Light Armored Division, the 9th Marine Division, Foreign Legion Operational Group and the 27th Mountain Division are the main French forces opposing them) Brunete Armored Division Subordination: RSIF Location: Beziers, France Manpower: 4000 AFVs: 74 Leopard II (Consists of the Villaviciosa Recon Battalion, 11th Artillery Btn, 1st Eng. Btn, 11th Mech Brigade (55th Uad Ras Mech. Btn, 6th Saboya Mot. Btn) 12th Armored Brigade (61st Alcazar de Toledo Armored Rgt, 31st Asturias Mech Btn) Guzman el Bueno Mechanized Division Subordination: RSIF Location: Montpelier, France Manpower: 5500 (Consists of the 7th Sagunto Recon Btn, 14th Artillery Btn, 2nd Eng. Btn, 21st Mech Brigade (16th Castilla Mech Btn, 2nd La Reina Motorized Btn) 22nd Motorized Brigade (19th Pavia Mot Btn, 22nd Alava Mot Btn) 23rd Motorized Brigade (9th Soria Mech Btn, Res Inf Btn) Maestrazgo Motorized Division Subordination: RSIF Location: Toulouse and Mountauban, France Manpower: 3500 (Consists of the 8th Lusitania Recon Btn, 17th Art Btn, 3rd Eng Btn, 31st Motorized Brigade (14th Tetuan Motorized Btn, 21st Vizcaya Mech Btn) 32nd Motorized Brigade (13th Mallorca Motorized Btn, 18th Espana Mechanized Btn) 1st Portuguese Independent Mixed Brigade Subordination: RSIF Location: West of Toulouse Manpower: 1800 Tanks: 33 M60A4 (2 motorized infantry btns, 1 cavalry squadron, 1 artillery group, 1 Engineer Company) Roger de Lauria Parachute Battalion Subordination: RSIF Location: various locations along the front in small units Manpower: 350 Ceuta Artillery Brigade Subordination: RSIF Location: Toulouse, France Manpower: 1000 Anti Aircraft and Field Artillery: 45 (Note there is a lack of materiel to make this unit fully effective at the moment) Territorial Defense Units Region One (Madrid) 1st Territorial Infantry Brigade Manpower: 2400 71st Anti Aircraft Brigade Manpower: 1000 Anti Aircraft Artillery: 48 Region Two (Seville) 2nd Territorial Infantry Brigade Manpower: 2000 Region Three (Valencia) 6th Mixed Artillery Brigade Manpower: 1700 Anti Aircraft and Field Artillery: 35 (note: this unit is acting more as a motorized infantry unit, Since it lacks shells and missiles, though a few are stockpiled in case of a desperate need) Region Four (Barcelona) 4th Urgel Mountain Division Manpower: 4000 Anti Aircraft and Field Artillery: 72 (unlike other similar divisions the individual vehicles are stocked Enough for at least one engagement) (Consists of the 41st Brigade of Infantry, 7th Mixed Artillery Brigade, 72nd AA Brigade) Region Five (Sargossa) High Mountain Brigade Manpower: 2000 (light infantry) Region Six (Burgos) 6th Navarra Mountain Division (61st Brigade, 1 Mixed Art Brigade) Manpower: 3000 Anti Aircraft and Field Artillery: 48 (armed equivalent to the 4th Urgel Mtn Div) Region Seven (Valladolid) 7th Territorial Infantry Brigade Manpower: 2400 AFVs: 12 M60A4 Region Eight (Coruna) 8th Territorial Infantry Brigade Manpower: 1500 AFVS: 15 M60A4 Region Nine (Granada) 9th Territorial Infantry Brigade Manpower: 1500 AFVs: 35 M48 23rd Infantry Brigade Manpower: 2100 Gibraltar Defense Force (British) Royal Gibraltar Regiment Location: Gibraltar Subordination: Gibraltar Defense Force Manpower: 700 26th Field Artillery Regiment Location: Gibraltar Subordination: Gibraltar Defense Force Manpower: 250 Artillery: 35 SP 155mm Howitzers, 12 203mm SP Howitzers, 12 Rapiers Los Guardias Civiles de los Ejercito do Madrid Location: Madrid, Seville and other surrounding areas. Manpower: 9,000 Vehicles: 12 EE-9 Cascavels, 46 Commando V-300, 54 Commando V-150, 1000 mounted troops) The Guardia Civile is a state police force which mostly patrols the roads and highways, also mounting Trains as need be. They are commanded by Lieutenant-General Manuel de Torres, a man with pale eyes and Brutal tendencies. This force is fairly well disciplined with a good number of experienced personnel. The troops carry the Following arms: M13A1 SMG, FN-FNC assault rifle, MAG GPMG, HP-35 Pistol. The Guardia Civiles generally wear olive drab uniforms with steel helmets, though the officers wear more well made BDUs or Class A uniforms when on headquarters duty. Some post might be a little confusing, sorry about that.
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01-08-2009, 05:08 AM
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01-08-2009, 05:56 AM
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01-08-2009, 06:43 PM
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Operation Carthaginian
Bona nit!
First of all, let me say that I like very much Operation Carthaginian (a very suitable name, by the way). The idea about a major airbone operation against Italy opens a new non-exploited scenario for me. And, as former Spanish paratrooper roughly by the time of the Twilight war, Operation Carthaginian gives me a lot of ideas based in my first hand experiences, in the case of a group of characters being members of the "Iberian Airborne Brigade Group". The collaboration between Portuguese and Spanish paras seems to me perfectly plausible. Operation Carthaginian seems a good way to introduce Spain and Portugal as active NATO partners in the war. It seems credible to me that both countries probably would have rejected entering the war immediately after the opening of the hostilities between Germany and Poland, arguing that the Germans were acting on their own while attacking the polish and that they don't consider themselves tied by the NATO treaty in that case. But with the unexpected Italian attack against the NATO fleet en route to Turkey, little can be discussed by Portugal and Spain without breaking the NATO treaty. And both countries (and especially Spain) would feel more comfortable fighting as the southern flank of the NATO than sending troops to Central Europe. It would be interesting to think what would happen to the Spanish troops in Italy after the falling of the nukes in Spain and the low level civil war depicted in "Mediterranean Cruise" module that eventually allowed Catalonia to become independent.
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01-08-2009, 07:07 PM
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About the fourth archive.
I'm curious to know about these Spanish units depicted as been in French soil. Any material about a NATO invasion of France? The relationship between France and the NATO is a good point that I think is left somehow vague in the Twilight timeline.
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01-08-2009, 07:48 PM
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About the Orbats
Mmmm... It's getting late. I will left the orbats for tomorrow. At first glance there are some mistakes. I'm doing a little research about the structure of that would have the Spanish Army in the Twilight War period but I'm only have fragmentary information. No problem to get this same information for the present day, but the Spanish Army have suffered a major transformation in its structure these past years.
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01-09-2009, 08:31 AM
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Fighting Flamingo from these parts is the author of the Carthaginian piece.
We in the DC Group are using the NATO 1989 orbat from tanknet.org (the latest version is at http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.p...c=20414&st=560 , second post has a link to the actual document) as the base for NATO forces in the Third World War wargaming we are working on to work out the conventional phase of the war. We are adjusting that orbat based on Cold War era plans for equipment modernization and, to a limited extent, changes in the force structure. It's a lot of work to unwind the post-Cold War changes that both the Pact and NATO forces went through in the 1990s. I can't see NATO units on French soil, except as invading forces, after the French grab for the Rhineland. And given the disparity in strength, the plausibility of NATO forces invading French soil is nil. For the recovery plan, we are operating on the basis that there is limited cooperation and trade between NATO and French forces in the Middle East and a low-level rivalry everywhere else. Neither side has the military strength or political will to push issues. From the American point of view, France is exploiting the world situation (and its prewar allies) for its own advantage, with its invasion of Germany and the Netherlands, support for Quebecois rebels and growing influence in the Middle East. From the French point of view, America is a broken land that is a dying power, no longer fit or deserving of a role on the world stage as important as it had before engaging in a reckless war. And please, lets not turn this into a thread about RL Franco-American relations!
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01-09-2009, 08:52 AM
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Thanks Chico I couldn't remember that and I had not writen down any names. I put his name next to the archive.
This is T2K material and that's it. It was usefull to me and I hope that it could be usefull to others.For my part I have mostly kept the OOBs, I hope that some of us might retain some of the texts and stories that were coming with them. Some were very nice. 
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01-09-2009, 11:29 AM
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01-09-2009, 02:25 PM
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 ), I never noticed. Nevertheless, as you asked, I checked and I have not found anything such as an M13A1 smg.
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