Semi-OT: First Female Rangers

[Matt Wiser]

In the tradition of Bobbie Lee the Ranger, here's the first two women to earn the Ranger tab in the U.S. Army. Both are officers, and both are also West Point graduates. Even if they never serve in the 75th Rangers, they are the first who would be so eligible. Well done, ladies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ool-graduates/

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser

In the tradition of Bobbie Lee the Ranger, here's the first two women to earn the Ranger tab in the U.S. Army. Both are officers, and both are also West Point graduates. Even if they never serve in the 75th Rangers, they are the first who would be so eligible. Well done, ladies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ool-graduates/

I am one and I say about time!!!
Israel been fighting with women in combat since 1948, It works.

[pmulcahy11b]

It's about time. I say yes to Female Special Forces, female SEALs, female Infantry, and female tankers!

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It's about time. I say yes to Female Special Forces, female SEALs, female Infantry, and female tankers!

You may know the story of Dr Ruth Westheimer, who was a sniper long before she was known for her current job. And ask my mother if women can kick ass.

[Cdnwolf]

http://www.rt.com/in-motion/russia-f...tary-unit-188/

Russia started training female Spetsnaz officers in 2013.

[Draq]

Quite righteous!

[Silent Hunter UK]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

http://www.rt.com/in-motion/russia-f...tary-unit-188/

Russia started training female Spetsnaz officers in 2013.

Don't forget the "Night Witches" during the Great Patriotic War.

Also, are those buzz cuts compulsory for women in the US Army?

[waiting4something]

I think it's great that they are able to do this. However, I think we are not yet ready for co-ed infantry. I always thought that serving with women would never be a big deal. Then I did a short term duty in the Marines with a combined joint task force that had some. This was reinforced again years later when did a few years in the Army National Guard. Guys are still guys and chicks are still chicks. Some of the females were cool and I respected fully. Others always got treated with kid gloves. Then you always got separate barracks so finding them at times was a bitch. Then all the PC Army crap these days makes you want to scream. I know I am going be the bad guy here.

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by Silent Hunter UK

Don't forget the "Night Witches" during the Great Patriotic War.

Also, are those buzz cuts compulsory for women in the US Army?

Neg. They have a reg for hair cuts but it is not that tuff and yes it is defferaznt for men than women opp or was any body more recent.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

You may know the story of Dr Ruth Westheimer, who was a sniper long before she was known for her current job. And ask my mother if women can kick ass.

My Mum was a racing car driver when I was little, her major sponsor was Shell. Women can do anything.

[LT. Ox]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

I think it's great that they are able to do this. However, I think we are not yet ready for co-ed infantry. I always thought that serving with women would never be a big deal. Then I did a short term duty in the Marines with a combined joint task force that had some. This was reinforced again years later when did a few years in the Army National Guard. Guys are still guys and chicks are still chicks. Some of the females were cool and I respected fully. Others always got treated with kid gloves. Then you always got separate barracks so finding them at times was a bitch. Then all the PC Army crap these days makes you want to scream. I know I am going be the bad guy here.

if it is wrong it is wrong!

Problems need to be addressed, politically correct or not. That said, I worked with women in a variety of roles in Law enforcement. I trained them and watched them do the job. Some were good, some were fair and some were not worth a (popular word for excrement).
I trained a lot more males some were well you know the rest I am sure.

Did they end up doing the job the same way, Of course not? But they got the job done.

Now, what do they have to handle? This is the good old walk a mile in their mocks thing. Thinking as a women, and I am very poor at this, What happens if I am too nice to someone ? What happens if I am to friendly? What happens if I am too masculine?

Ok have those and few hundred other similar thoughts I can see why some “handled” things by being standoffish.

My youngest daughter thought about a carrier in the Army as an Officer, started with ROTC and then found out she was not going to be selected for Airborne or Ranger or be able to participate in a combat role, well you get the picture.

She was at first angry then disappointed then resigned, she quit the ROTC and finished her degree in Criminal justice and political science. Her brother did not want to go into the service and she was saddened that hers was the first generation of my family that did not serve.

By the Way my daughter is a better shot then her police officer husband and can throw a tomahawk and knife well enough to place in the top five in the nation at the National muzzle loading Association finals three times. She can shot over my shoulder any day and I have put my life in her hands on two occasions in the mountains here in the Rockies. She would have served with distinction.

[Adm.Lee]

https://warisboring.com/american-wom...390#.xo0vz9o9o

A column in War is Boring about US military women volunteering for combat arms.

Near the bottom is a photo, here's just the caption: "Maria Daume during ‘The Crucible’ at Marine boot camp. Daume was born in a Siberian prison before coming to America as an orphan at age four, and is one of the first women to enlist in the Marine Corps with an infantry contract." Struck me as unusual.

[pmulcahy11b]

I think of how my mother grew up and what she did in her late teens and early twenties, and I know that women are capable of anything men are. In the Army, I've met lots of men who shouldn't have been in the Army, let alone the Infantry, in the first place.

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

I think it's great that they are able to do this. However, I think we are not yet ready for co-ed infantry. I always thought that serving with women would never be a big deal. Then I did a short term duty in the Marines with a combined joint task force that had some. This was reinforced again years later when did a few years in the Army National Guard. Guys are still guys and chicks are still chicks. Some of the females were cool and I respected fully. Others always got treated with kid gloves. Then you always got separate barracks so finding them at times was a bitch. Then all the PC Army crap these days makes you want to scream. I know I am going be the bad guy here.

I am probably going to be right there with you. As long as they are going to have different standers based on gender I do not have any issue with keeping them out of some jobs. Can some women do the job, yes. Some probably better then most of the men that they would sever with, but others can not. Some of the jobs require a certain amount of upper body strength. For example when I was a Tanker you start as a loader. The loader was expected to load one round every five seconds (max time allowed) for at least twenty two rounds, with each round round weighing about 50lbs this could be tougher for some of the smaller stature women. So if she can not physically do that job, do you move her to the next position driver? What about the promotion that comes with being the driver? Also the driver has some heavy weights that they have to deal with as they are the main one in charge of maintenance of the tank, opening some of the armor panels can be heavy. So again if she can not physically do the job do we now move her to the next position gunner (normally a sergeant position)? Again what about the promotion that goes with the position? Now if they had a single standard that does not care what gender you are, you need to be able to do X to do this job.

[Raellus]

Here's an interesting article on the topic. The featured individual's bio sounds made up. I imagine that if a T2K player tried to pass of her backstory for his/her PC, much eye-rolling would ensue. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.

"In college, she was a Philadelphia Eagles cheerleader before she commissioned as a U.S. Army intelligence officer."

https://warisboring.com/american-wom...s-7dc2fcef4390

Methinks you'd see a lot of this sort of person in a WWIII scenario, even back in the mid-80's when T2K was created.

[Adm.Lee]

That's the other interesting bio in the piece. I dunno, I bet that could have shown up back in my high school group-- all guys, of course.

[Silent Hunter UK]

One suspects that you'll get more women in the 'lighter' jobs - as in overall body strength required - and more men in the 'heavier ones'.

@Adm. Lee: She might have been in the batch of refugees that the US agreed to take in the late 1970s from the USSR?

[Adm.Lee]

Certainly possible.