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Old 05-04-2021, 07:20 PM
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I figured I would start a new thread considering the amount of information I am finding
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https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...173975I006.pdf
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I think thats a great idea.
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:51 PM
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It looks like that chart is from 1986/87 and it also lists the Berlin Bde as 199th
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It looks like that chart is from 1986/87 and it also lists the Berlin Bde as 199th
It makes me wonder. There is nothing in the lineage of either bde that shows that actually happening though. I wonder if there wasnt a plan to reflag the Berlin Bde because the bde had no combat history something similar to the School Bde/6th ADA Bde being reflagged to 30th ADA Bde and it didnt happen because the cold war ended. maybe it would have happened if the bde had transformed to AOE configuration?
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Chief of Staff Army Total Army Analysis 1992 Force Program Decision Briefing

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...025463I001.pdf

Apparently the Army did one of these "Program Objective Memorandum" biennially for review by the Office of SECDEF.

Again the above document should be read in conjunction with this:

https://history.army.mil/html/books/...H%2040-1-1.pdf

Chapters 1 & 2
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Any thoughts on why V Corps is getting two additional ACRs ?
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There are also the annual historical summaries, at https://history.army.mil/html/booksh...ct/dahsum.html
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I figured I would start a new thread considering the amount of information I am finding
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https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...173975I006.pdf
I have a hard copy of this, or an updated version, around here somewhere....
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I have a hard copy of this, or an updated version, around here somewhere....
Chico, please I hope you do! I have the researcher at the Ridgeway Library looking for a 1989-90 version. I’m also looking for an updated, again for 1989-90, force allocation chart.
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Any thoughts on why V Corps is getting two additional ACRs ?
Not sure, I could understand one additional. The expectation that the Blackhorse might not be in the best of shape after the initial Soviet thrust thru Fulda. As for two, no idea.

Also interesting is the 199th uses the infantry Bde symbol and not mech Bde. Another is Indiana was scheduled to get an SF aviation battalion.
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Not sure, I could understand one additional. The expectation that the Blackhorse might not be in the best of shape after the initial Soviet thrust thru Fulda. As for two, no idea.

Also interesting is the 199th uses the infantry Bde symbol and not mech Bde. Another is Indiana was scheduled to get an SF aviation battalion.
Didn’t the Berlin Bde have three Inf Bns scaled as Air Assault J-Series Inf but each with a Coys worth of M-113s? IIRC the Tank Coy jumped from 14 to 22 around 1989.
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So,

Has anyone ever done a comparison of the 1989 NATO and PACT forces to their in-game assignments and how does it compare to this info at the army's historical website archive?
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Chico, please I hope you do! I have the researcher at the Ridgeway Library looking for a 1989-90 version. I’m also looking for an updated, again for 1989-90, force allocation chart.
Ok, I found it in the deep archives... the crawl space. The full poster (effective date: October 1990) is about 3 feet wide and 2 feet long, so I had to piece it together from multiple scans on my dinky home printer/scanner. It's here and while it isn't pretty it is complete.
When I get back to the office and a full-sheet scanner I'll get a nicer version done, including the notes on the back.

Enjoy!
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Thanks Chico! Keep it coming! Does that chart also have the Brigades on the back ?

I recently bought this book and it is excellent ....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The author served in 3 ACR, I was told by him that the 3 ACR's POMCUS stock was in Kaiserslautern at least until 1984, which jives with the Force Allocation chart showing 3 ACR being CAPSTONED to V Corps.

I also found this, one page paper, unknown date, regarding POMCUS. I am figuring late 1980's.....Chico, Shrike your thoughts ?
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Love seeing posts like this Chico as one of the big problems for writing is to get the Orbats right if you are trying to go back in time and get a realistic unit set up - i.e. versus just picking designations and such out of thin air
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Old 05-30-2021, 08:13 AM
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28 ID circa 1985/86:

Reassignment of 28 ID CAPSTONE Mission
https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...99MN002646.pdf

CAPSTONE Alignment of 28 ID
https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...53MN005829.pdf
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Old 05-30-2021, 08:20 AM
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CAPSTONE 1980/81:

Memo regarding 1982 CAPSTONE Alignments based on the new version of the European Time Phased Force Deployment Data (can anyone opine on this ?)

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...37MN000781.pdf

The Army CAPSTONE Program 1980

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...85MN000410.pdf
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Dept of Defense Appropriations for 1982. POMCUS starts on page 512 of the document, alot is redacted but you can read between the lines.

https://www.google.com/books/edition...J?hl=en&gbpv=0
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@shrike6 and Chico

Found some more info:

ARNG Inf Divs
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:44 AM
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50 ARM DIV,
looks like CAPSTONE alignment was switched to III Corps in 1988
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File Type: pdf 1990 realignment.pdf (1.83 MB, 83 views)
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:22 AM
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Shaping the Force for the 1990's

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...84MN001179.pdf
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Finally, for now, detailed conversion plans (down to BN and Coy level) of 28, 34, & 38 Inf Divs 1990

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...94MN002111.pdf
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Louie you keep on mining gold. Good stuff!
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:22 AM
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Shrike,

Berlin Bde reorganization for the 1990's

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...60MN000646.pdf
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And the Jackpot !!!

MEMORANDUM FROM EDWARD C. NORMAN TO VARIOUS REGARDING FORCE MANAGEMENT DIVISION BLACK BOOK WITH ATTACHMENTS

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...94MN002102.pdf

22-Oct-90
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Hell of a find, Louie!
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And the Jackpot !!!
Jackpot is right! Lots of small units in here, amazing!

And the 107 ACR still had M48A5 in 1989?!
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Thanks everyone, it took hours to go through.......

Quick question, if you notice in FY92 the activate a Mech Bn in Louisiana. If you look at 156th Infantry's lineage, a separate 4th Bn existed from 1991-93. Does anyone have any idea who it was assigned too?
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To hazard a guess, 50th Armored Division. Maybe 36th Brigade since it only had 2 armor battalions. I base that off a GAO report that Louisiana lost a battalion of the 50th AD in 1993.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-93-145.pdf page 24
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Great spot @Shrike6! I just looked it up and NJ lost two Mech Bns Sept 1 1991
So this must have been to replace at least one.
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