Favorite Shotgun

[jester]

Originally Posted by kato13

Not to mention that it was used by Arnold in the Terminator movie.

Despite its use by my boss, I will not hold that against it, its not the weapons fault it was used by an inept leftist fraud.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by jester

Despite its use by my boss, I will not hold that against it, its not the weapons fault it was used by an inept leftist fraud.

Real life Politics aside (as they should probably be on this forum). IMO No one actor had more cool weapons in their movies than Arnold. The Long slide with laser, the M214, the Spas-12 to name just a few.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by kato13

...the M214....

I thought that was the M134?
Same prop as was used in Predator.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I thought that was the M134?
Same prop as was used in Predator.

Good call.

Nicknamed "Old Painless", a hand-held M134 Minigun is the main weapon of the movie carried by Blain (Jesse Ventura). It has been modded for Commando use with an M60 handguard and a rear pistol grip. The weapon was powered by an electric cable hidden in the actors pants and fired reduced power 7.62x51mm blank rounds to ease the recoil force. It is believed in real life a similar weapon was tested by US special forces in the 1970s but found impractical. Although rumored to be an XM214 'Microgun' which fires the smaller 5.56mm NATO rounds, it is the larger M134 hence the barrel cluster.

source:http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title...nigun_Handheld

I have seen that in print incorrectly at least three times. Wow even my copy of "Guns Guns Guns" which I revere, got that one wrong.

[Legbreaker]

A seriously kick ass weapon if ever there was one, but totally bullshit as far as reality goes.

But how many of us can honestly say we haven't had a moment of munchkinism and WANTED ONE soooo bad it hurt?

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

A seriously kick ass weapon if ever there was one, but totally bullshit as far as reality goes.

Guns^3 calculated the recoil of the 5.56mm version at 95 kilograms. (Slightly less if using AP ammo). As a GM I am thinking that holding it and directing fire of the 7.62mm version would be like benching over 150 kilos. You would also have to be braced against something mighty strong or you would be knocked to the ground.

I only allowed the M214 to be used once in a Dark conspiracy game when a heavy weight boxer had taken two levels of alien cybernetic enhancement for a 12 total strength.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I thought that was the M134?
Same prop as was used in Predator.

I thought the weapon in Predator was the M214. It is 5.56mm. Either way a person carrying around and firing from the hip a 6-barrelled gatling gun is a pretty unlikely and crazy idea but the M-134 is 7.62 and I think that firing it without it being mounted on a vehicle or a tripod wouldn't just be unlikely, it would probably be impossible.

Perhaps we should look on the Internet Movie Firearms Database and see if it tells us?

Edit: Just realised that Kato got there first. Thanks, I stand corrected.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Targan

I thought the weapon in Predator was the M214. It is 5.56mm. Either way a person carrying around and firing from the hip a 6-barrelled gatling gun is a pretty unlikely and crazy idea but the M-134 is 7.62 and I think that firing it without it being mounted on a vehicle or a tripod wouldn't just be unlikely, it would probably be impossible.

Perhaps we should look on the Internet Movie Firearms Database and see if it tells us?

Beat you to it

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by kato13

Real life Politics aside (as they should probably be on this forum). IMO No one actor had more cool weapons in their movies than Arnold. The Long slide with laser, the M214, the Spas-12 to name just a few.

I did some calculus on the M214 couple of years ago and came to a resoult that IF a 200 ibs man would fire a M214 with normal .223 ammo he must stand in a somewhere 45 to 55 degrees angel to the ground. Movies have a tremendous inpact on players when they wish for weapons... Lasers, Gauss, Plasma for they specially designed T2k soliders... Sniper rifles with three barrels so they can shot with the best bullet there is for the best range there is and the weight is nothing more then for a M24.

Antenna

PS
Rant on Munchkintosis along players...
DS

[headquarters]

Find most munchkinesqe player with loudest demands - allow everything but be really hard on demanding accurate gear sheet.(Alot of work writing)
Then fudge an attack roll from NPCs and stray bullet to head w critical hit and instant death.Enemy then loots all gear and turns it against party .

aahhh...

Originally Posted by Antenna

I did some calculus on the M214 couple of years ago and came to a resoult that IF a 200 ibs man would fire a M214 with normal .223 ammo he must stand in a somewhere 45 to 55 degrees angel to the ground. Movies have a tremendous inpact on players when they wish for weapons... Lasers, Gauss, Plasma for they specially designed T2k soliders... Sniper rifles with three barrels so they can shot with the best bullet there is for the best range there is and the weight is nothing more then for a M24.

Antenna

PS
Rant on Munchkintosis along players...
DS

[Tegyrius]

I'm gonna be a big dirty heretic again and give props to Izmash's Saiga. Kalashnikov manual of arms and engineering. 8-round detachable magazine that's roughly the same profile as a 30-round AK-47 mag and only a bit thicker, so it'll fit in at least some ComBloc LBE. Felt recoil is, at least to me, appreciably lower than the other 12ga semi-autos I've shot. Some timeline fiddling might be required to make them available in the 1.0/2.0/2.2 Twilight Wars, though maybe not - I'm not sure of the exact start of production date but they were being built for export at least as early as 2001.

Barring that, Remington 870. Spare parts are everywhere and a pump gun sometimes will cycle stuff that will choke an autoloader.

- C.

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

I'm gonna be a big dirty heretic again and give props to Izmash's Saiga. Kalashnikov manual of arms and engineering. 8-round detachable magazine that's roughly the same profile as a 30-round AK-47 mag and only a bit thicker, so it'll fit in at least some ComBloc LBE. Felt recoil is, at least to me, appreciably lower than the other 12ga semi-autos I've shot. Some timeline fiddling might be required to make them available in the 1.0/2.0/2.2 Twilight Wars, though maybe not - I'm not sure of the exact start of production date but they were being built for export at least as early as 2001.- C.

If I had the budget for a new shotgun, I might go with the Saiga. The older I get, the more I appreciate the Kalashnikov approach to firearms.

My vote, though, is for the Mossberg 500. It's what sits in my gun safe and what goes to the range with me. I like simple and reliable, like my SKS and my .357 revolver.

Webstral

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Find most munchkinesqe player with loudest demands - allow everything but be really hard on demanding accurate gear sheet.(Alot of work writing)
Then fudge an attack roll from NPCs and stray bullet to head w critical hit and instant death.Enemy then loots all gear and turns it against party .

aahhh...

Hehehe I know but there are times in your GM life where there only are Munchkins to get playing T2k. But a warning sign for that you have a munchkin in you group can be that you have a "normal" weapon pack is that it as follows :
M3 Carl Gustaf attached to a M214 with three laser forming the predator three sign and four sights fired either from the hip or the shoulder and said from the munchkin "It can be done"

Antenna

[headquarters]

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

Originally Posted by Antenna

Hehehe I know but there are times in your GM life where there only are Munchkins to get playing T2k. But a warning sign for that you have a munchkin in you group can be that you have a "normal" weapon pack is that it as follows :
M3 Carl Gustaf attached to a M214 with three laser forming the predator three sign and four sights fired either from the hip or the shoulder and said from the munchkin "It can be done"

Antenna

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by headquarters

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

The best with munchkins are that mostly lack all kind of social skills so if you blend in some social duality for example that NPCs lye every 2nd turn they munchkins are lost in a maze of cat and mouse of where to go and who to thrust. The best part is that if you can keep smiling you can really turn the munchkins head into some paranoid version of Kafka like game.

Antenna

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by headquarters

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

Have you ever used the Barret .50? I had one in Iraq and the muzzle flash is not that bad, the report off of it is a different story, it was blowing holes in the house we were shooting out of, makeing the mouse hole in to a much bigger one.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by jester

Despite its use by my boss, I will not hold that against it, its not the weapons fault it was used by an inept leftist fraud.

I thought Arnie is a Republican? Do you have leftist Republicans? I obviously still have much to learn about US politics.

Oh, and I'm happy to be educated via private message. I'm not looking to start any politically motivated flame wars here.