Sub Machine guns

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

I wondered how much you guys have used SMG's in twilight games? I know I have read about character using MP5's especially the silenced version and Uzi's but its seems that most characters op for an assault rifle of some sort.

my character obtained a PPSH-41 in one of the few twilight games I played. In another game a fellow PC captured Scorpion VZ-61 but couldn't get a good supply of ammo(.32 ACP) for it so it was useless.

I think Sten and home made tube receiver guns would be plentiful as long as there was enough ammo around to warrant there manufacture.

However I never really thought that there wouldn't be a plentiful supply of firearms laying around after the war. I think there just be less ammo to shoot out of them.


Brother in Arms

An smg is a nasty weapon in RL ,but most players tend to forgo them and take an assault rifle instead because of th ebetter range ,pen and damage this offers -much like in real life imho.

A submachinegun is certainly not to be trifled with but compared to a 5.56 carbine or a 7,62N rifle it is a pea shooter in most cases.The assault rifle was pretty much designed to fill the gap that the smg couldnt cover and the LMG was to bulky for doing .

That said ,it is often a nimble addition to an armoury and look to the simple smg of the 30s sten,owen,Mp-40 (to some degree at least ) and possibly the M3 ,ppsh-43,that German mp-3000 or whats its name and even the Japanese designs from 1945 -could be made in a basement and thus
would be prolific in a world were arms supply is poor but fighting is everywhere.

A British fellow named Luty has even published manuals of homemade smgs made from over the counter plumbing items .

As for actual use in game PCs used them earlier on until they got wise to the fact that for just "1" higer bulk rating they could have something like a short barrelled collapsible stock M16 /M177 etc .

In a more civvie game were concealment is a factor I suppose SMGs would be more frequent with our group .


If it isnt out of order I would like to point out that most of these are on our site
www.thebigbookofwar.50megs.com under "Guns".

[Targan]

1. Guys, guys, guys, we're all on the same side remember? My natural attitude is that if I know someone knows their sh*t I'll listen to them first, others second. All of us have our own areas of specialist knowledge and I'd like to think that people listen to me when I talk about things I have first hand (especially in a professional capacity) knowledge of.

2. In my current campaign SMGs are most used (well maybe used isn't the right word, more like carried) by Major Po's support personnel such as mechanics and armourers. Some of Po's line troops have SMGs (especially silenced SMGs) but they are not at all the most used weapons.

[Brother in Arms]

that reminded me of the twilight game I ran in Colorado...my Pc's had found a ww2 weapons cache in a museum the game actually took place in Ukraine. All the players where civillians. One of the players worked in a musuem and knew that they had a great war display that was in the attic,in which they found 1. 91/30 PU 1. SVT-40 1. DP-28 1. PPSH-41 1.TT-33 Tokarev. Also one of the PC's had a double barreled shotgun that he had used for hunting. All told they had 1 mag for the SVT-40, 2 pan mags for the Dp-28. 1-drum mag for the PPSH-41. 2 mag for the TT-33. They also found a bunch of mosin stripper clips.

Sadly In the display there where only 5 live rounds of 7.62x54R! which they loaded in the 91/30 PU. And they had a couple boxes of bird shot for the shotgun. So they had close and long range covered and a lot of intimidating but not loaded military firearms!

Eventually they found a wrecked BTR. Which they thought was empty. So they sent the sneakiest PC up to inspect it. She was armed only with the unloaded TT-33. Little did they know there was already a couple of Brigands looting it, one was inside and the other was covering him both of them where armed with Russian SKS rifles. She managed to get up to the BTR without the cover man noticing her and got the drop on the guy in the BTR and held him at gunpoint with an unloaded gun! The guy covering him didn't see her but did notice the guy with the Dp-28 and got nervous and started shooting his SKS at that guy. The PC's were all hiding behind a wall at the time and he didn't hit any of them, but he did manadged to give away his position. The PC armed with the 91/30 Pu was able to take aim and shoot him before he could reload his SKS. At that the other brigand who was now ordered out of the BTR. He was told to put down his rifle he began to and but went for the girl with the unloaded Tokarev. She hit deck and he got dusted by the PC with the shotgun. The brigand was actually mortally wounded but not killed by the bird shot, they finished him off with a hunting knife! The group captured the two SKS rifles from the brigands and found a broken 250 round PKM belt in the BTR, so now they had ammo for the DP-28 , SVT-40 and 91/30 PU. But still no ammo for the Tokarev of PPSH.

Later they where occupying a shelled out apartment building when they spotted a URAL truck coming down the road. Several men where riding on it all where armed with "kalashnikovs" and had large beards and were wearing KLMK camouflage. They spotted the DP-28 and 91/30 emplacement up on the roof and drove behind another smaller building with the truck. To the PC's surprise they had a loud speaker and in Russian said to send out an unarmed man to parley or they would destroy the whole building...The PCs where nervous but sent out the Female again figuring you could catch more fly's with honey than vinegar. Of course everyone with working guns where covering her. And they sent out one man to the center of the open ground and the two conversed... They asked the PC's who's side they were on and the PC's said no ones...so the soldiers said they could keep there arms but should come out and talk. Turned out the Soldiers were Czech Special forces and had a ZPU-2 in the back of the truck! Its good that PC complied. Apparently they had been impersonating a Russian unit and killing Russian soldier once they realized it was a ruse. Anyway the driver of the Ural and the ZPU-2 gunner where both armed with CZ-26 Samopal SMG's and they told the PC's if they gave the them the 2 Russian SKS's then they could have the 2 VZ-26's and ammo. The PC's where very pleased now they had ammo for the PPSH, Tokarev and 2 Cz-26's. The rest of there arms where 7.62x54R.

Apparently the Czech soldier wanted the SKS rifles for DMR purposes. As the rest of them where armed with VZ-58 with folding stocks.

Sorry for the long story guess I was bored.

Brother in Arms

[smokewolf]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

Sorry for the long story guess I was bored.

Don't be. I'm bored at work too and this was a good read.

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

Sorry for the long story guess I was bored.

Brother in Arms

Yeah psiing contests get that way. I enjoy 'war stories' from T2K campaigns.

Grae

[Haven]

I love reading them too.

As the 'house take down' plays out with SMGs i'll be sure to share with a wall of text.

[Graebarde]

One of the short-falls of a subgun over a battle-rifle or assault-rile for house clearing is the lack of penetration. I'm refering to walls. But that only applies if your concerned for what's behind the wall, such as a civilian scenario with cops and robbers. Nuff said on the subject though. Opinions are like ah, everyone has one.

Grae