Buying Vehicles

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

I view starting cash not as actual physical dollars, but basically "buy points".

I always ran the game with the assumption the items "purchased" at character creation were meant to represent items acquired by the character before the game started. For T2K, this can mean equipment issued to them, gear they scavenged, and finally, everything they were able to shove into the vehicles when the "Good luck, you're on your own." order was issued.
I can't remember if it's in the T2K rules, or if I scavenged it from another game, but I had a rule that 90% of the starting money MUST be spent, or it is lost. The remaining 10% I referred to as the character's "wallet"; this money could be kept or spent as the player wished.

My opinion is, if they want to use the starting cash to buy another vehicle, let them. It's a great way to get all that starting cash out of their hands. Of course, don't forget it's only the vehicles given by rolling upon character creation that are assumed to come with a full load of ammo, fuel, etc. With purchased vehicles, items like fuel, etc., are sold separately.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by Bullet Magnet

I always ran the game with the assumption the items "purchased" at character creation were meant to represent items acquired by the character before the game started. For T2K, this can mean equipment issued to them, gear they scavenged, and finally, everything they were able to shove into the vehicles when the "Good luck, you're on your own." order was issued.
I can't remember if it's in the T2K rules, or if I scavenged it from another game, but I had a rule that 90% of the starting money MUST be spent, or it is lost. The remaining 10% I referred to as the character's "wallet"; this money could be kept or spent as the player wished.

My opinion is, if they want to use the starting cash to buy another vehicle, let them. It's a great way to get all that starting cash out of their hands. Of course, don't forget it's only the vehicles given by rolling upon character creation that are assumed to come with a full load of ammo, fuel, etc. With purchased vehicles, items like fuel, etc., are sold separately.

I am in agreement on you as to what the items players had that they used their money to obtain represented - i.e. as you said issued, scavenged, and grabbed as the Division collapsed

and also as to what a purchased vehicle should be versus one that is rolled up by the GM - like I said if you have the money to purchase the vehicle you need to also have the money to purchase ammo and fuel for it as well - I wouldn't give the vehicle an empty fuel tank but I would assume that at best its holding 10-20% fuel capacity when purchased as compared the full vehicles that GM rolls give you

[rcaf_777]

Here is the way I do it

If I was playing using one of the TW adventure mods, I.E. a group of US PC's escaping Poland, then I'd use the starting vehicle chart found in the TW Rule Book.

Playing anything else, I'd look at the PC's, is there someone who would have a normally have a vehicle? IE Cavalry Scouts, Armored Crewmen, Mechanized Infantry? Or I would just throw in a NPC with a vehicle from my stash of NPCs.

Of course the group could also "find" something too.

[Olefin]

I like the idea of a bought vehicle being a found one - especially considering the nature of the breakout and how confused it is - finding a US or Soviet vehicle sitting there still useable with dead bodies all around it would be very realistic - i.e. a firefight that ends up with everyone dead or dying but the vehicle still driveable - we got a vehicle like that once using as an idea something from The Big Red One - i.e. playing dead to suck the enemy in and have them dismount - sniper took out the guy they left on the machine gun and we took out the rest

could be done here as well but where the Americans or Russians that are going down get off a grenade that takes out the opposing side - and you have two groups of bodies clustered around an operational vehicle - and there is the vehicle you "bought"

[rcaf_777]

Well in the begining of the Free City of Krakow Mod you come across ambush site.

When I came ran this adventure I had my group find a running truck and Humvee since they did not have any vehicles yet.

Using this idea you could give stuff to PC's if you are that type of GM.

[.45cultist]

If you're running a civvies campaign, purchasing a humvee or M35 is an option for a prewar collector.

[pmulcahy11b]

I voted to allow, but what was left unsaid was subject to GM's Discretion.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

If you're running a civvies campaign, purchasing a humvee or M35 is an option for a prewar collector.

Actually that's a great idea to add to a civilian campaign if you want to add something unique - civilians have lots of stuff they collect - you could use that for instance to add a Ferret (all you need is a machine gun and its fully operational after all), a Sherman or Stuart tank (and making them use their money to buy ammo for it just like a real collector would have had to do), or other vehicles that collectors might have

for an example look at the Caribbean module - sitting in a garage is a fully restored M113 APC lacking only a machine gun to arm it and if I remember right a battery that a collector had restored and then died from the flu