Announcement from Free League Publishing

[comped]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

There's less of an excuse for that now than there was in the early days of fan pages (B.J. Zanzibar, anyone?) and zines before them. Spell checkers are mature technology, grammar checkers are getting better every year, and the monthly licensing for Adobe Creative Cloud has put professional-grade desktop publishing software within the reach of almost any hobbyist. The tools can't replace professional training and experience, but past a certain point, low quality is the mark of a sloppy work ethic, inattention to detail, a fundamental failure to master high school language arts, or someone who just doesn't have very good ideas.

- C.

And while that all may be true, if you look at the community markets for most of the major games that have them... the quality is somewhat lacking for the majority of the content up for sale. There's good, but the question is how much of it will be good?

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by comped

And while that all may be true, if you look at the community markets for most of the major games that have them... the quality is somewhat lacking for the majority of the content up for sale. There's good, but the question is how much of it will be good?

If you have to ask the question, the answer has already beaten you into resignation with comma errors, randomly-placed capitalization, sentence fragments, hoard/horde and ordnance/ordinance substitutions, and terminal inability to comprehend the difference between a possessive apostrophe-s and a plural -s.

- C.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by comped

And while that all may be true, if you look at the community markets for most of the major games that have them... the quality is somewhat lacking for the majority of the content up for sale. There's good, but the question is how much of it will be good?

And a lot of fan content and community releases have all kinds of continuity errors

Mexican troops that are armed with Soviet tanks and armored vehicles instead of what canon releases say they are armed with (City of Angels anyone)

No fact checking that produces units that were assigned to Europe being in Korean instead

Timelines that directly contradict canon in multiple ways or are alternate timelines but not presented as such and thus you have people going huh? as they read it not realizing it was an alternate

Add in that kind of stuff and it very quickly gets to be a confusing mess about what is canon, what isnt and even what happened on what date and what unit is where and armed with what

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Olefin

No fact checking that produces units that were assigned to Europe being in Korea instead.

In their defence, plans do get altered and units reassigned as priorities shift, so it's possible a unit intended of Europe pre-war could be sent elsewhere due to a pressing need for troops or transportation limitations/requirements.

However, units which have already been described in canon sources shouldn't be messed with. Tweak them a little, have detachments on long range patrols, etc, but don't go shifting them half a continent or more.

[Raellus]

Another Kickstarter stretch goal met = base-building rules unlocked.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I really am caught on the horns of a dilemma here.
Having checked out some of the other Year Zero games, I really do not care for the rules system (I thoroughly dislike the use of gimmick dice for example) and I don't see it being suitable for the depth of gaming that I want for a post-apocalypse setting such as T2k.
However I do want to see the material they create because it's a fresh take on the world setting and it can always be converted over to a system I would prefer to use.

So I'm quite torn - support the kickstarter for a rules set I don't like and would never use or give the whole thing a miss and pass on some potentially new and great material?

And for the life of me (for reasons I cannot explain) I do actually like that metal box and want it!

[Targan]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

I really am caught on the horns of a dilemma here.
Having checked out some of the other Year Zero games, I really do not care for the rules system (I thoroughly dislike the use of gimmick dice for example) and I don't see it being suitable for the depth of gaming that I want for a post-apocalypse setting such as T2k.
However I do want to see the material they create because it's a fresh take on the world setting and it can always be converted over to a system I would prefer to use.

So I'm quite torn - support the kickstarter for a rules set I don't like and would never use or give the whole thing a miss and pass on some potentially new and great material?

And for the life of me (for reasons I cannot explain) I do actually like that metal box and want it!

I feel similarly to you, but I'm falling on the side of not going to support the kickstarter. I am interested in their take on the setting, but I'd rather pull out my fingernails with pliers than use that rules system.

[Olefin]

the more I think about that rules system and other things I have been hearing the more I am wondering just how many other changes have been made for V4 that may make it almost unrecognizeable from V1 and V2.2.

Also if this is going to be just a one shot release or an actual supported game with follow on releases that are official and not just depending on the fans to support the game