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@All: Does the war have an official name yet? As far as I can remember, I haven't seen anything presented as such. I would nominate Russo-Ukrainian War. Just googled it, and Wikipedia has an entry for it under that name, but there doesn't seem to be widespread use yet. -
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I personally am fine with "Russo-Ukrainian" as historically the second listed name is more likely to be the winner. When I was a very young war historian I actually thought that the names of the wars always listed the winner last (rather than being a product of media of the time). I think I thought it was similar to how the home team in a sport is listed at the bottom when showing scores (from baseball batting order)
From the below it was a reasonable suspicion when I only had partial information ("winners" in bold) Austro-Prussian War Franco-Prussian War Russo-Turkish War Sino-Japanese War Spanish-American War Anglo-Boer War Russo-Japanese War Arab-Israeli Wars |
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That's really interesting. As a fellow historian, I'm surprised that this never occurred to me, or thatI haven't seen references to this apparent unwritten naming convention elsewhere.
I knew why most American Civil War battles have two names (the Union named battles after the nearest river; the Confederacy after the nearest town), regardless of who won but yeah, that's battles, not wars. I joke with my students each year that the French & Indian War / Seven Years War is one of the worst-named wars in the modern era, because both titles are misleading. -
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Here are a couple of recent articles that may be of interest here. The first is about the UAF Marines executing their version of a "Thunder Run" along the Mokri Yaly river.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=729f2cb35fb6 The second describes two weeks on the front lines in Eastern Donbass with the UAF. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ont-in-ukraine It's an illuminating piece but, in it, the author talks about a vehicle he calls a B.R.M. that has "...tracks and a cannon but was too lightly armored to qualify as a tank, and its inability to withstand direct fire had earned it a grim epithet: the Iron Casket." It's not a BMP because, a little later on in the article, the author (an embedded journalist) describes a resupply operation involves BMP (clearly identified as such). Any idea what this "B.R.M" is? -
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That's what I thought as well. Though at one point in the article he mentions firing rockets? It's hard to tell if he's talking about some other vehicle entirely, or if it's a BRM with some kind of franken-launcher added on, or even if the author is calling the cannon ammunition "rockets".
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The BRM is fitted with the 2A28 Grom 73mm smoothbore which uses rockets as ammunition, which is also used by the SPG-9. This further confuses the issue.
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The very brief article linked below succinctly describes the challenges the UAF is facing during its Spring-Summer counteroffensive. https://cepa.org/article/twitter-bub...nteroffensive/ The last paragraph really drives the point home: Quote:
War Zone reports that the Ukrainians might be taking advantage of one possibly unanticipated consequence of the dam's destruction- the lowering of the water level of the reservoir behind it- by staging landings on the left bank of the Dnipro. -
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I've been following along with the war updates fairly closely - one of the tidbits that I've seen pop up a few times is that Ukraine has only committed two of it's nine new brigades to the counteroffensive thus far. If true, why do you all think they're holding so much in reserve?
A common theory that's been posited is that Ukraine is attempting to force Russia to commit its own reserves first and make Russian repositioning difficult before committing the bulk of their own forces in order to prevent the counteroffensive from getting flanked and cut off. |
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The 2A28's ammunition is based on the SPG-9's, but isn't exactly the same -- the ammunition isn't interchangeable.
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Thanks, Vespers and Paul. Paul, did you see that piece about the Cold War era experimental Polish assault rifle I posted in the Best That Never Was thread?
In other news, I bet Putin is really wishing he'd kept his dog, Wagner, on a much shorter leash. https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-w...ff7db5b1bded34 First stop on Wagner's 2023 Mutiny Tour: Rostov https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-w...ff7db5b1bded34 Slava Ukraini! -
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I'm on the Golo diet now. I have more energy now, and have already lost a little weight. I may work on that. I just finished a major update to the F-15 Eagle. It's not posted yet, though.
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Glad to hear that you're feeling more energetic, Paul.
In mutiny news, just like that, it ended almost as soon as it began. The poll had been up all of 15 minutes when news broke that Prigozhin had ordered his troops to cease fire and turn back short of Moscow. One really has to wonder what Prigozhin was thinking. Did he really think he could overthrow Putin? Did he believe, going in, that he could force Putin to the bargaining table? Wagner hadn't yet suffered a big defeat at the hand of Loyalist forces, so why did he decide to call it off? This BBC article does a really good job explaining why this all most likely happened. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66013532 After all of this drama, I suspect that Prigozhin will not be dying of natural causes or old age. -
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I agree that Prigozhin is a dead man walking. He might live longer if he gets out of Russia fast (and not to Belarus), perhaps to some Wagner safe haven, but probably not. Russia is quite adept at going out of country to assassinate people, even to the US and UK.
GEN Petreus seems to think that Prigozhin lost his nerve/came to his senses way too late.
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Prigozhin was never going to "bring the Defence Ministry to justice" let alone topple Putin, but that doesn't matter. Putin has been shown to be weak, bordering on pathetic. These events have been hugely embarrassing for Putin. History may show this to be the beginning of the end for him.
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Re Prig, he's probably a dead man walking. There's still a chance that Putin gives Prig an opportunity to redeem himself by allowing him to continue to direct Wagner forces from Belarus. That way, both parties can have their cake and eat it too.
It's really hard to see Putin keeping Prig around indefinitely, though. One article I read yesterday suggested that Prig might try to run as a candidate in the next presidential election. If Putin plans to run for reelection again (and I've seen nothing to suggest that he won't), I can't see him allowing that to happen. Now, here's some good news: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...bef42633&ei=17 Hopefully, this is the first of much more to come. -
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I'm pleased to see the US finally acquiesce to sending DPCIM shells to Ukraine. The timing could have been a lot better, though. DPCIMs are more effective against trench systems than conventional artillery rounds; some versions are deadly for masses of armored vehicles in the open. If the Ukrainians had those thousands of pledged DPCIM rounds 1-2 months ago, I suspect their summer offensive would have made even more progress by now, with fewer UAF casualties. Better late than never, I guess.
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I think i'm against Ukraine using cluster munitions.
Yes, they help in the short term. But i worry that after the war, Ukraine is left with unexploded devices in their own yard. Causing civilian deaths or maimings for years to come.
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On a practical side, DP-ICM are much more effective than HE rounds. Given that the supply of howitzer barrels is running out in the West, the cluster munitions allow the Ukrainians to keep their artillery going longer before their guns are shot out. Just my opinion...
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The ugliest of calculus here breaks down to "How many lives will be lost to future UXO explosions vs. how many lives might be saved by speeding up the end of this conflict through the use of cluster munitions?" |
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I was thinking the long view success would be not to use them, but happy to defer to those more in the know. Its still a case of rock and hard place!
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Ukrainian pilots will start training on the F-16 in Romania next month. Come March next year when F-16s tear into the Russian Air Force, the Russians are going to need to issue a whole lot of brown trousers.
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The bridge over the Kerch has come under attack again. Currently, automotive traffic in both directions is down, due to the bridge having collapsed. The railtracks seem to hold, so far.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...or-2023-07-17/ https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1680796880551178240
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In other news, Ukrainian intel reports a build up of Russian forces (100k troops, hundreds of AFVs) near Kharkiv. This could be bad for Ukraine, as it threatens the flanks of some of their current offensive operations, and it will probably require the UAF to shift forces earmarked for, or already committed to said in order to meet the new threat. On the other hand, it might a positive for the Ukrainians as it will get a substantial number of Russians out of their fixed defensive positions and out into the open (where US cluster munitions could have a really big impact). At this point, I would bet on the Ukrainians to gain the upper hand in maneuver warfare. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...p-near-kharkiv WARNING: If you scroll down through the article, there are links to two video clips of Anti-Russian Chechen fighters, allegedly operating in Belgorod Oblast, ambushing a lone Russian military truck. They blur out the gore (thank goodness), but it doesn't leave a whole lot to the imagination, and some viewers may find it disturbing. I only mention it here because every T2k game I've ever been involved with (as player, Ref, reader, writer, etc.) has featured at least one ambush of a "Russian" convoy of some sort. -
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For all the good of accomplishing the presumptive mission, if your PCs walk the roads, bunch up and lollygaggle when “assaulting” across the kill zone of their linear ambush, fail to secure the far side before they start searching, or aren’t moving expeditiously back to the ORP it’s a good opportunity for the ambushed to rally, counterattack, and teach them a lesson. It did look like there was a man on the road able to look down the curve in the direction the truck came from. Not sure if that was PKM man, LAW guy, or if the flank security man/element had collapsed already. If they don’t have flank security, anything can roll up on them. Last edited by Homer; 07-18-2023 at 07:44 AM. |
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